Just reflect for a moment what kind of culture can be so deeply submerged in toxic displays of hostility as a form of “swag”, “coolness” or “masculinity” as to create something like that. How insecure do you have to be?
Looks around at my death metal albums and shirts… well shit 😳
There’s a difference here that’s important about what it means to be actively hostile.
Yes, some types of art in general have a hostile face. Some metal, some gangster rap, some pop even.
The difference is that nobody but the most fucked up people is going around forcing it on me. I don’t have to fear getting to close to the cover of Mayhem’s “Dawn of the Black Hearts”. I can ignore it if it’s right next to me. Ignoring Swangas is detrimental to my health. Album covers don’t amputate my legs when they come to close.
Don’t worry too much. It’s becoming more common for people to realize that in reality metal fans are generally more calm, considerate, and helpful than your average human.
When I fell down at a “not-metal” concert, the nice and friendly and approachable people around me nearly stepped on me. Nobody cared.
When I stumbled and fell at a metal concert, multiple people were helping me up before I even had time to realize I’d tripped. They looked scary and not the kind you’d approach for a chat. I’m still in contact with one of them. He likes to hear black metal while he knits. It’s absolutely like out of a badly written comic book.
I know this is not representative and I’ve met my share of racist fellas over the years that wore the cut-offs. But I swear most were big teddy bears in black clothing, and accompanied by some tiny goth goddess in the highest heeled combat boots.
When I stumbled and fell at a metal concert, multiple people were helping me up before I even had time to realize I’d tripped.
They’ve been to a lot where moshing and death walls are common to those concerts, moshing is so much like a contact sport with sportsmanlike behavior, and anyone falling will be helped to get back up as much as possible.
Oh, did you sing in an alt rock band? As someone who has played and presently plays in actual metal bands I can tell you that there are racists in every type of music but there is no region where metal is music exclusively for racists.
Shit, what type of metal? You get different types of fans whether you’re into the thrash metal, death metal, black metal, power metal, numetal (and the thousand subgenres) scenes.
You dig into this even a bit and your argument straight up falls apart.
In a lot of regions metal is the official theme music of white nationalists so I can’t say this is true
Eh, it doesn’t belong to them. Racists try to insert themselves into things the same way other groups do, e.g. “christian rock” that tries to use the appeal of the genre to spread their particular message.
As a counterpoint to your statement, metal is immensely popular across South America. Look up any Iron Maiden concert in Brazil and you’ll see vast legions of diehard fans going nuts. And the overwhelming majority probably wouldn’t be considered white, at least not in the way European or North American racists want it to mean.
Looks around at my death metal albums and shirts… well shit 😳
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What harm does an album cover do to other people?
Gramma rocked her head right off 🤘😔
The term used was ‘hostile’, not ‘harmful’. There’s a difference IMO.
But anyway I would argue some album covers could be considered propaganda, which is potentially harmful to society.
And then there’s stuff like the original cover of Virgin Killer by the Scorpions. A lot of folks would call that directly harmful in some way.
There’s a difference here that’s important about what it means to be actively hostile.
Yes, some types of art in general have a hostile face. Some metal, some gangster rap, some pop even.
The difference is that nobody but the most fucked up people is going around forcing it on me. I don’t have to fear getting to close to the cover of Mayhem’s “Dawn of the Black Hearts”. I can ignore it if it’s right next to me. Ignoring Swangas is detrimental to my health. Album covers don’t amputate my legs when they come to close.
Sure, I can definitely agree with that.
I was really just making a joke in the first place.
It makes them feel things. That’s offensive. Feeling. Absolutely disgusting.
Don’t worry too much. It’s becoming more common for people to realize that in reality metal fans are generally more calm, considerate, and helpful than your average human.
When I fell down at a “not-metal” concert, the nice and friendly and approachable people around me nearly stepped on me. Nobody cared.
When I stumbled and fell at a metal concert, multiple people were helping me up before I even had time to realize I’d tripped. They looked scary and not the kind you’d approach for a chat. I’m still in contact with one of them. He likes to hear black metal while he knits. It’s absolutely like out of a badly written comic book.
I know this is not representative and I’ve met my share of racist fellas over the years that wore the cut-offs. But I swear most were big teddy bears in black clothing, and accompanied by some tiny goth goddess in the highest heeled combat boots.
They’ve been to a lot where moshing and death walls are common to those concerts, moshing is so much like a contact sport with sportsmanlike behavior, and anyone falling will be helped to get back up as much as possible.
In a lot of regions metal is the official theme music of white nationalists so I can’t say this is true
Classic pop fan thinking.
Total haters
Rap and house music and I used to lead sing in an alt rock band. Just a fact in certain parts of the US that metal fans have to live with.
Oh, did you sing in an alt rock band? As someone who has played and presently plays in actual metal bands I can tell you that there are racists in every type of music but there is no region where metal is music exclusively for racists.
Shit, what type of metal? You get different types of fans whether you’re into the thrash metal, death metal, black metal, power metal, numetal (and the thousand subgenres) scenes.
You dig into this even a bit and your argument straight up falls apart.
Eh, it doesn’t belong to them. Racists try to insert themselves into things the same way other groups do, e.g. “christian rock” that tries to use the appeal of the genre to spread their particular message.
As a counterpoint to your statement, metal is immensely popular across South America. Look up any Iron Maiden concert in Brazil and you’ll see vast legions of diehard fans going nuts. And the overwhelming majority probably wouldn’t be considered white, at least not in the way European or North American racists want it to mean.