• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    28 days ago

    I’ve explained what the iron dome is.

    Everyone knows what the Iron Dome is, dipshit.

    Correct

    Correct? What TF do you mean correct? Correct we should send Iran missile defense systems?

    They are not key allies in the me.

    So you support the alliance with the genocidal regime.

    And now we’re back in the world of slop sound bytes. I’m so happy for you that you’re anti-genocidal.

    Describing things dismissively doesn’t make them untrue.

    I don’t even know why you’re weighing in on this conversation. Obviously, I’m criticizing her from an anti-Zionist perspective. If you want to argue that she aligns with your Zionist values, then sure, I agree with that completely. From the perspective that genocide is actually bad, however, the criticism is completely valid.

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      28 days ago

      Because it doesn’t help the conversation at all if all we are limited to is slop twitter soundbites. A real discussion would entail anything about actionable solutions or realistic paths to de-escalation. And that includes bringing Israel to the table. That’s what Palestinians need. Not white kids sitting around on college campuses chanting “free Palestine”. Hate her for all you want, but Kamala was the vehicle for de-escalation. Not Trump.

      Not running the mill on a collection of LLM slop soundbites “from the river to the sea” / " apartheid colonial ethnostate" over and over and over is just…meaningless. If you guys aren’t capable of addressing these with real concrete actionable items, it’s just effervescent self masturbatory ejaculate

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        28 days ago

        Nothing I’ve said or cited was AI generated or had anything to do with twitter, nor were they soundbites. I linked full articles put out by the DSA.

        And that includes bringing Israel to the table.

        And that’s exactly why they don’t need to be given weapons “defensive” or otherwise. How exactly do you think they can be brought to the table? By asking them nicely to not do genocide? Trying to appease Israel by giving them weapons is no more possible than trying to appease Hitler by giving him Czechoslovakia. There is exactly one limiting factor on Israeli aggression, exactly one way to bring them to the table, and it is force. Kamala was fully, 100% behind the genocide and wouldn’t have done shit, just like Biden.

        If you guys aren’t capable of addressing these with real concrete actionable items, it’s just effervescent self masturbatory ejaculate

        You guys had full control of the executive branch, and what did you do to stop the genocide? How did giving them weapons and asking nicely to “bring them to the table” work out for you?

        I find it hard to believe anyone’s dumb enough to actually think that’s a viable strategy. Again, you’re just a Zionist, you just support giving them weapons because you don’t have any problem whatsoever with what’s happening there, you just don’t want to say it outright because it sounds bad.

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          27 days ago

          And there it is. The fact that you equivocate between Kamala and Trump tells us everything. You are not informed or grounded in any sort of reality about this conversation.

          No, I didn’t say you used an llm. I’m saying your talking points are indistinguishable from one. It’s just slop sound bytes, nothing more.

          The fact that you can’t at least acknowledge that Israel was also being attacked, especially after Oct 7…is also just indicative of how terminally online people talk about this conflict. You guys are not on the side of Palestinians. This is Kony 2012 all over again.

          And of course, pull out all the standard buzzword ad homs: zionist, genocide enabler etc.

          You are saying so much and nothing at the same time.