And the author of this article is tying himself into a pretzel trying to absolve Tolkien of this great shame.
And the author of this article is tying himself into a pretzel trying to absolve Tolkien of this great shame.
We must remain morally pure! Anyone trying to understand evil becomes stained with it! Only the most reduced and simple argument can save us from the evils of intellectualism. It is not enough to simply reject evil, we must repeat the rejection again and again until it becomes part of our mental fortress.
We shall repost this rebuke of JRR Tolkien again and again, and every time it must become simpler, purer, easier to accept and less dangerous to the uncritical mind.
Reject moral Pretzelism!
You are an ml user. Why am I not surprised?
Anyone trying to understand evil becomes stained with it!
I did understand his explanations. And they don’t hold up to scrutiny. Even Tolkien’s daughter understood that.
Priscilla Tolkien, the author’s daughter, born in 1929, commented that the “whole period of the Civil War cast a great shadow over my father’s life and is a powerful and lasting memory from my childhood.”[1]
On a related note; George Orwell (1984, Animal Farm) actually traveled to Spain to fight in the Civil War on the side of the Anarchists, where he got shot in the neck and then had to flee the country after the Stalinists betrayed the Anarchists and Marxists and began rounding them up to imprison or execute them as ‘secret fascists’.
He wrote about the experience in his book Homage to Catalonia. There was also a movie mostly based on the book called Land and Freedom.
George Orwell was a real one for that!
Honestly if the person written a story is dead and the none is getting money or it I do not care.
I agree. My issue is that Tolkien’s views are rarely talked about or they are excused. He is often put forth as a straight progressive.
First paragraph:
“When historical events are analysed from a distance and evaluated according to contemporary parameters and not according to the circumstances when they developed, it is easy to attain wrong conclusions, or at least, get a distorted view of the different attitudes of the participants and witnesses of those events”
“Tolkein loves fascism” is a WILDLY dishonest summation of the article. You, to use the academic term; fucking suck, OP.
Improve the Fediverse: post less, please.
He was a devout Catholic and Franco’s Spain was very close with the church.
This right here.
That’s like saying practically any significant figure from over 300 years ago is certainly evil because their country likely had slavery. Keep zooming out, don’t think critically, and hate everyone you used to look up to.
Support for Franco was ANYTHING but widespread when the war happened.
But I read the article and understood the explanations. And they don’t hold up to scrutiny. Even Tolkien’s own daughter was ashamed of his view of the war.
Priscilla Tolkien, the author’s daughter, born in 1929, commented that the “whole period of the Civil War cast a great shadow over my father’s life and is a powerful and lasting memory from my childhood.”[1]
“Tolkein loves fascism”
Where did I say that?
And lastly: calm down.
You seem upset. There is no need to use swear words and engage in mud throwing.
“Tolkein loves fascism”
Where did I say that?
Your title is “TIL Tolkien supported fascist Spain”.
You don’t have to be a super sluth to see what you’re saying between the lines here, saying “well I didn’t say those specific words” doesn’t work with people who have reading comprehension.
He literally cited me as saying that?! I have every right to call that out.
Besides, everyone agrees that Tolkien supported the nationalists in the Spanish civil war. Saying that “Tolkien loves fascism” is an entirely different topic.
Devil’s in the details.
Oh please, we know exactly what you’re saying directly as well as implying. Someone summing it up simply doesn’t change the message.
Unless … The only reason this wouldn’t make sense is if the summary was off…
Are you saying that Tolkien didn’t love fascism, or are you saying that the nationalists during the Spanish civil war weren’t fascists? Are you glad he liked them?
we know exactly what you’re saying
If ya’ll know my secret thoughts then tell me what I think bout ya’ll’s MOMMAs!
If I had to guess… It’s you dodging the question. I’m just going to assume you liked Spanish nationalists and don’t think they were fascists.
I’m just going to assume you liked Spanish nationalists and don’t think they were fascists.
That’s actually insane of you.
Your title is literally “Tolkien supported fascist Spain”. So sorry I read between the lines and used the no-no words to call out an unfair, dishonest, and deeply stupid title, enjoy your holy refuge in civility.
Your title is literally “Tolkien supported fascist Spain”
And that’s not true?
used the no-no words to call out an unfair, dishonest, and deeply
Calm down.
