Guess what? Other forms of organizing and protest will also be opposed. And we should still do them.

If a movement is real and serious that organizing to vote in primaries is really not a big deal. Blue no matter who is really just a last resort and if you don’t want to then you should at least spoil your ballot.

PS anything you consider more effective than voting can still be done btw. Change is not an all or nothing (tho given the mindset around many here they should not be surprised when they really do keep getting nothing)

  • 🇵🇸antifa_ceo@lemmy.mlEnglish
    43·
    3 days ago

    You should vote but upholding voting as the pinnacle of political engagement is silly. To change the system you must organize opposition to that system with support for a better one and that will never happen by just voting better in a system built for and captured by the capitalist class that have hegemony today.

    Bad faith interpretations of revolutionary rhetoric is exhausting. No one is saying we should not fight for reforms either but that cannot be the end goal - it is simply a stepping stone to larger organization within society as it enable more people to get involved and, ideally, engenders class solidarity among workers.

    • tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz
      133·
      3 days ago

      All right, well please talk some sense to your comrades here who are actively pushing the don’t vote narrative. You probably talk their language better than I do anyway.

      I’d also like to see more of that organizing and changing the system from people who dismiss voting. Talk is cheap.

      • 🇵🇸antifa_ceo@lemmy.mlEnglish
        41·
        3 days ago

        None of the people I work with think you should not vote. That’s like annoying redditors who live inside and don’t talk to people. I am helping run my DSA chapter - organizing is all i think about to a problematic degree.

      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.worldOP
        41·
        3 days ago

        I’d also like to see more of that organizing and changing the system from people who dismiss voting. Talk is cheap.

        Voting is fairly low effort to do. Running a campaign is a bit harder, but that is also like a marathon. It does take some time to be able to do well. I see .ml as someone who just showed up and wondered why they didn’t get very far.

        It does not bother me that they don’t want to join a party. I get it. I think their critique around the DNC is right, but they should still at least spoil their ballot. I do find blue no matter who to be a last resort type thing.

        Beyond that I don’t see them organizing workers or communities anywhere. FBI is taking them down? I don’t doubt feds are going to be doing opposition. I don’t think people too apathetic to vote are going to be gung ho about a protest that could turn violent, or even just talking with the general public if they are having a crashout in lemmy comment sections.

        • tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz
          42·
          3 days ago

          I think their critique around the DNC is right, but they should still at least spoil their ballot

          And they could also kindly just shut up about not voting against Trump. They need to be called out, so that apathy doesn’t spread further.

    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.worldOP
      3·
      3 days ago

      You should vote but upholding voting as the pinnacle of political engagement is silly. To change the system you must organize opposition to that system with support for a better one and that will never happen by just voting better in a system built for and captured by the capitalist class that have hegemony today.

      This is a large part of my point. At a minimum it is low effort action. On its own its not a big deal, but people need small steps to gain confidence. Besides that it is also a call to action that got answered. This means other calls to action: sit ins or strikes, will have more credibility. The group has already shown some numbers at polls and its not just a hypothetical group.

      Taking down the whole system? No push back from me. The attitude toward voting creates apathy around it which leaks to other parts of the movement.