Guess what? Other forms of organizing and protest will also be opposed. And we should still do them.
If a movement is real and serious that organizing to vote in primaries is really not a big deal. Blue no matter who is really just a last resort and if you don’t want to then you should at least spoil your ballot.
PS anything you consider more effective than voting can still be done btw. Change is not an all or nothing (tho given the mindset around many here they should not be surprised when they really do keep getting nothing)
Again, though, in this comment and every other comment, you are happier to invent a position to argue against than to actually address the points raised. I see this as needlessly divisive for the purpose of eliciting an emotional reaction, not an actual calm discussion. Again, I never once disparaged voting, I affirmed the primacy of organizing on the ground as the most necessary.
You’ve got more patience and skill than I do, Cowbee. OP’s moral framework feels impenetrable
If OP doesn’t want to grow, OP will not grow. You can’t force a viewpoint, you can only hope to lead the willing to it. Our task is to plant seeds and nurture sprouts, not to win debates in a bourgeois conception of the “marketplace of ideas.”
I know. That is why I talk with
.mls to have solidarity with the rest of us.Isn’t it difficult to push for solidarity while misrepresenting our points at every chance you get, by referring to a vague strawman of “.mls?”
You claim its a mis representation. I say its my own observation.
This is not at all at odds with what I said. You keep framing it as “Marxists cannot spare a few hours to vote,” or “Marxists claim voting is harm.” The Marxist position is that organizing is far more effective at gaining change, such as the civil rights movement, and that elections cannot bring about socialism. I’ve explained repeatedly what the Marxist position is, and you either intentionally or unintentionally continue to misrepresent it. For what reason?
Its not a mid read when mls are saying they are not going to vote because they won’t get everything they want or purity testing. Save that for when the overton window shifts back.
Again, more strawmen. “Everything they want” is hiding DNC participation in the genocide of Palestine and the continuation of imperialism, which is a hard line for many people, not just MLs.