It’s a problem when an organization makes preparing for, canvassing for, advertising for, and organizing for elections their primary focus
Things that will also be happening when doing any other organizing. So taking some time to also have a candidate in primaries to shift the conversation further left is worthwhile. Not to even bring up minimizing harm as a last resort when needed.
So forgive me, but I don’t see my framing as dishonest.
Your framing was that Marxists oppose “sparing a few hours to vote.” This is incorrect, and now that I drew attention to this mischaracterization you’re pivoting hard from this. Many Marxist orgs do run candidates, such as PSL, but this is never the focus, as resources can always be better spent. You used my comment as an example, so it’s important that I set the record straight.
Your framing was that Marxists oppose “sparing a few hours to vote.” This is incorrect
Your wording, and that of many others in .ml is ultimately one that is demoralizing those who are also helping on that front and one that is by and large read as against voting, as well as being self defeating. Maybe you personally are not, so perhaps pass some notes to the rest of the crew.
demoralizing those who are also helping on that front
This is the most honest statement I’ve seen on the topic. Yes, absolutely, it is obvious that when we educate people about the lack of impact voting has that people get demoralized. In fact, they think we are attacking them because they feel anxiety, fear, and despondency.
I don’t think there’s any denying that. But it’s basically the same argument as when white parents say that we shouldn’t teach kids about the horrors of slavery because it will make them feel bad about themselves.
The truth is painful sometimes. It is difficult to have your beliefs challenged and more difficult to change your beliefs and your behavior as a result.
All of that is true.
But what Cowbee is saying about wasting millions of dollars and person-hours and political capital and trust on something that is a dead end is worse for harm reduction and liberation. Everyone ought to vote. End of story. No one ought to donate to the DNC. No one should be spending their time door knocking for Democrats. No one should be fighting with their fellow workers if they don’t feel like voting. No one should be spending time getting more people registered to vote. None of it is useful and it propagates a falsehood about the path to liberation.
If you want harm reduction faster and sooner start organizing with revolutionary organizations. You and I do not have enough time to be part of three or for political groups, attend rallies for multiple parties, and to develop the skills and rhetorical training for multiple goals. For anyone who wants the world to change for the better the absolute fastest path is a general strike and literally anything that takes away from that is slowing down justice and harm reduction.
People say we can walk and chew gum at the same time. I agree. Individuals will vote and then do revolutionary organizing. But don’t tell me that someone holding down a full time job can volunteer for the DNC, the WFP, and also do revolutionary organizing at the same time. I’ve tried it. It was impossible for me, there’s just not enough time to do it all, let alone do it well.
We will all see massive harm reduction if we focus on the root cause. That’s what it means to be radical - go to the root. Abortion, medicine, food, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, racialized mass incarceration, homelessness, ecocide, war, human trafficking, the opioid crisis, poverty … you could spend your whole life trying to fix these things by voting for the right candidates and make no progress. Or you could do the root cause analysis and organize to address the root cause. The root cause is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and their maintenance of the imperial capitalist system. That’s it. One solid root cause, one place to focus all of our efforts, all of our messaging, all of our education, all of our training, all of our organizing, and all of our relationships and trust building.
That one thing will protect all of your friends and family and the oppressed in your community and around the world more than 100 years of voting ever will. And that’s why all of the research, evidence, and history proves out. From centuries-ago history to recent history, it all points to the same conclusion.
So yes, this analysis is demoralizing for people who volunteer earnestly every year for a Democrat candidate they really believe in. Yes it’s demoralizing for the people who donate every month, listen to the podcasts, follow the inside baseball, and hang their emotional well being on electoralism on the faulty premise that this is how we will save people and the planet. Yes, of course it’s demoralizing. But just as you have no obligation to make people feel a certain way about their false beliefs, I and those who share my position have no obligation to maintain the morale of people who believe voting will save us or even result in harm reduction. Our obligation is to propagate our analysis of the way the world works, to constantly revise our understanding based on research and data and lived experiences, to debate within our own communities about the various positions we have, and to adapt our understandings and our behaviors to have the maximum positive effect on the world. In our analysis, that means shutting down the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie as fast as possible by any means possible. The general strike is the least harmful and most readily available means.
And while people are striking, they can still take time to vote their conscience.
Can I just say I think this was eloquently put, and I philosophically and intellectually largely agree.
In Australia where I live voting is compulsory; in that context there is less conflict in that “d, all of the above” praxis can be actualised simultaneously.
However, I am ambivalent about it in the context of the USA, however, where militating every possible vote against someone as egregiously awful and negatively impactful as Donald Trump seems from the outside to be a no brainer.
I say this admittedly selfishly, as the decisions he/his handlers make particularly in the realm of rolling back of environmental rights seem to impact the entire world for generations to come.
However, maybe this is just our Great Filter ¯\(ツ)/¯
Life will continue, perhaps it’s for the best it does so without H “sapiens”
But Trump is not unique in this. The largest polluter in the world, bar none, is the US military. Every administration, every legislature, every politician, both parties expand the military and use it to bomb people all over the world.
Obama led the greatest expansion of fossil fuel extraction in the US ever.
All of Eurocentric society is guilty of destroying the planet. The Euro-empire developed the extraction processes, separated billions of people from their relationship with the planet (starting with themselves), and then imposed massive environmental destruction on those they subjugated as a condition of their survival.
I hope this is the filter for the eurocentric world and that settler states like your and mine get dissolved in the coming decades and that white people in those settler states become assimilated into the societies that remain connected to the land. The idea that a single group of humans could cause the extinction of everyone else is not something I’m willing to just shrug off. It has to be stopped, and voting hasn’t stopped it or even slowed it down.
Well, that is just not true. And for all the organizing that the crew in MLs claim to be doing there isn’t much to show for. Still I am not going to bad mouth them for working on their front, but I am calling them out for abandoning us here and their lack of strategic perspective. You have to live to fight another day.
And literally no amount of campaigning for the Ds will help you live another day. The Ds supported the creation of the enemy combatant designation. They supported mass domestic surveillance. They pioneered using drones against US citizens abroad. They created the DHS and ICE policies being used against us today. They created the private prison operation contractor market to achieve mass incarceration. They pioneered the mass deportation program. They cross the aisle and collaborate with the Republicans to condemn communism and socialism. They do had the entire Epstein Files in the DOJ and did nothing to stop anyone despite knowing the the Trump Faction’s plans.
You are making claims that sound good but have no basis in reality. Democrats have never allowed us to live another day, its our fellow citizens that do that. And the more we focus on electoralism, the more that protection erodes because it does nothing to address the power system and its root and every day that power system works to split the working class in order to divide and conquer us.
The Ds are not protecting you. They never have and they never will.
D is still here the progressive wing lives and we should grow it as much as possible where they are winning primaries. In other places we are not so privileged as to the purity of our reps. Evey negative thing you have to say about a D is still a preferable outcome to a crusader R in that office. I get your critic, but you are lacking perspective and you are abandoning your allies that have less privileged and unable to move.
Your organizing and grassroots is cool and all, but its not in my corner of the world. And you are not coming out to support me, so… yeah.
You’re imagining things. You are imagining that vote mongering has an effect. The research is pretty clear that it doesn’t have any effect. Again, you could be organizing your community to prepare for a general strike and then go vote and then keep organizing for a general strike. Instead you are clearly establishing yourself as someone who will only engage with people who vote and moralize that failing to vote is a moral failing and that people should follow you to voting booth.
You fail to acknowledge that corporate profits are highest under Ds, that the largest ever expansion of fossil fuels happened under Ds, that the expansion of ICE happened under Ds, that the expansion of racialized mass incarceration happened under Ds, and that everything the Rs want the Ds give them. You fail to acknowledge that the fight for abortion rights is not simply because the Rs took office but because the Ds failed three times to even make a motion to codify into law while they had the trifecta of power. That Trump is in office and not in jail because Biden/Harris explicitly chose to not move on the Epstein Files.
Your beliefs are false beliefs that don’t match reality. The Ds aren’t protecting you. They literally created the second Trump term with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created the ICE crisis we have now with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created the 2008 global financial crisis with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created contemporary the fossil fuel ecocide with their deliberate and open actions.
Voting for Ds created exactly the things you think voting for Ds will mitigate. Your position is not based on reality. It’s based on the desire to not feel demoralized, the emotional need to believe a story that keeps you safe and puts the moral burden on others.
So, to retread that comment, I said 2 important things:
Organizing is the method by which to grow working class power and gain change
Marxists do not emphasize voting because capitalism cannot be reformed into socialism from within
I fail to see how identifying a working strategy and arguing against a failed strategy is “demoralizing.” If anything, knowing for a fact that organizational practice is key, effective, and practical is extremely uplifting. I am also explicitly in this comment against focusing on elections, not against voting in any and all capacities.
Perhaps you should stop spreading disinformation and sowing division by misrepresenting the views of Marxists? Then you likely wouldn’t see such strong pushback from people correcting the record. It’s the same tired strawman as those that say socialists support Trump because we also oppose the DNC.
I fail to see how identifying a working strategy and arguing against a failed strategy is “demoralizing.”
With all respect I am not calling names to your views, even with their lack of apparent progress. DSA won a major election in NYC and is becoming more known. Even then many places don’t have a DSA at all, let alone a PSL.
You are at the end of the day ranting about people wanting the general public to vote as left as possible where they are. That is quite divisive.
Congrats to the DSA for winning the mayoral seat in New York City! The primary advantage of this is that it advertises the DSA as an organization that, at least nominally, supports socialism. Mamdani’s position, however, helps highlight the futility of trying to change capitalism into socialism brick by brick from within, why electoralism is inevitably a dead-end, and the only utility it has with respect to socialism is advertising.
You are correct to say that many places do not have a DSA, or a PSL. This is why the focus should be on grassroots organizing, not electoral campaigns. Imagine if the resources used by the DSA to canvass for elections were employed by disciplined cadre sent out to these areas to start new chapters! The PSL does this, but by nature of being a demcent party is smaller. The strength of the DSA is in numbers, the weakness is in always tailing behind when it comes to strategy and tactics.
To the DSA’s credit, internally there is widespread debate about reform vs revolution. If the DSA successfully converts to a revolutionary organization, then I will re-evaluate them.
I am not “ranting about people wanting the general public to vote as left as possible.” This, again, is a dishonest characterization of myself and the Marxist position on resource allocation in an organizational capacity. I am vocally opposing making elections the primary capacity by which an organization uses its resources and efforts, and instead advocating for making grassroots organizing the primary effort. This is the Marxist position, not what you have been presenting in memes and comments.
To the DSA’s credit, internally there is widespread debate about reform vs revolution. If the DSA successfully converts to a revolutionary organization, then I will re-evaluate them.
Notice that your language states you do not support them. Hence my position never actually misrepresenting you or the broader .ml. Still the DSA is in better position to minimize harm in the mean time, and better position to grow in membership; which it will need for converting to a more revolutionary party.
I am okay with the revolution not happening in my life time. It takes a while for culture to shift away from capitalism, but it would be nice to have some respite and as much breathing room while we get there. Currently .ml types are not really helping in that front other than assuring the rest of us that they are organizing.
You said Marxists “cannot spare a few hours to vote.” I stated that the actual position is that Marxists emphasize the importance of grassroots organizing over focusing primarily on elections and trying to change the system from within. Marxists do not fight against reforms, we oppose methods that leave reform as the dead-end. The DSA, as a reformist party, cannot achieve socialism. This is why I do not support the DSA in its present iteration. Do I think they are as bad as the DNC or GOP? No. Do I think they are taking an ineffective path? Yes.
You keep referencing a nebulous, vague, “.ml type.” This “type” is a strawman you drag around and beat publicly, not an actual position, ideology, or political party. This is probably convenient for you, but it isn’t particularly compelling of an argument. The Marxists are organizing, to the point that the state is cracking down on all manner of left groups.
Critically, I am not okay if we do not establish socialism within my lifetime. Climate change is an active danger that stands to kill us all if we do not end capitalism’s insatiable lust for profit over people, and imperialism kills millions while the US Empire still exists. We do not have the luxury of ineffective practice and taking it easy while climate change is on the clock and the global south suffers for our inability to do what must be done.
e do not have the luxury of ineffective practice and taking it easy while climate change is on the clock and the global south suffers for our inability to do what must be dons.
I have been on lemmy for some time now. I see .ml in the exact same place. DSA has a major city. Even shit dems drag their feet where a repub would be a crusader. The way I see it is that it buys you time, so I hope all this organizing is actually going somewhere. Tho it does seem odd that for all the passion and urgency .ml really does not seem intrested in material results.
I am not going to argue that the DSA is all that, but they show more people that socialism is not scary.
Shit dems give less robust support to Israel. Did you know that is still helpful to those on the literal front line? Well thanks to .ml all or nothing means that Hamas now has to fight Israel at its strongest.
I mentioned it before. Elections have consequences and it would be great is .ml had solidarity to help minimize the negative parts. All war is class war, and soldiers get dirty if they are in trenches. They also have to live to fight another day.
Things that will also be happening when doing any other organizing. So taking some time to also have a candidate in primaries to shift the conversation further left is worthwhile. Not to even bring up minimizing harm as a last resort when needed.
So forgive me, but I don’t see my framing as dishonest.
Your framing was that Marxists oppose “sparing a few hours to vote.” This is incorrect, and now that I drew attention to this mischaracterization you’re pivoting hard from this. Many Marxist orgs do run candidates, such as PSL, but this is never the focus, as resources can always be better spent. You used my comment as an example, so it’s important that I set the record straight.
Your wording, and that of many others in
.mlis ultimately one that is demoralizing those who are also helping on that front and one that is by and large read as against voting, as well as being self defeating. Maybe you personally are not, so perhaps pass some notes to the rest of the crew.This is the most honest statement I’ve seen on the topic. Yes, absolutely, it is obvious that when we educate people about the lack of impact voting has that people get demoralized. In fact, they think we are attacking them because they feel anxiety, fear, and despondency.
I don’t think there’s any denying that. But it’s basically the same argument as when white parents say that we shouldn’t teach kids about the horrors of slavery because it will make them feel bad about themselves.
The truth is painful sometimes. It is difficult to have your beliefs challenged and more difficult to change your beliefs and your behavior as a result.
All of that is true.
But what Cowbee is saying about wasting millions of dollars and person-hours and political capital and trust on something that is a dead end is worse for harm reduction and liberation. Everyone ought to vote. End of story. No one ought to donate to the DNC. No one should be spending their time door knocking for Democrats. No one should be fighting with their fellow workers if they don’t feel like voting. No one should be spending time getting more people registered to vote. None of it is useful and it propagates a falsehood about the path to liberation.
If you want harm reduction faster and sooner start organizing with revolutionary organizations. You and I do not have enough time to be part of three or for political groups, attend rallies for multiple parties, and to develop the skills and rhetorical training for multiple goals. For anyone who wants the world to change for the better the absolute fastest path is a general strike and literally anything that takes away from that is slowing down justice and harm reduction.
People say we can walk and chew gum at the same time. I agree. Individuals will vote and then do revolutionary organizing. But don’t tell me that someone holding down a full time job can volunteer for the DNC, the WFP, and also do revolutionary organizing at the same time. I’ve tried it. It was impossible for me, there’s just not enough time to do it all, let alone do it well.
We will all see massive harm reduction if we focus on the root cause. That’s what it means to be radical - go to the root. Abortion, medicine, food, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, racialized mass incarceration, homelessness, ecocide, war, human trafficking, the opioid crisis, poverty … you could spend your whole life trying to fix these things by voting for the right candidates and make no progress. Or you could do the root cause analysis and organize to address the root cause. The root cause is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and their maintenance of the imperial capitalist system. That’s it. One solid root cause, one place to focus all of our efforts, all of our messaging, all of our education, all of our training, all of our organizing, and all of our relationships and trust building.
That one thing will protect all of your friends and family and the oppressed in your community and around the world more than 100 years of voting ever will. And that’s why all of the research, evidence, and history proves out. From centuries-ago history to recent history, it all points to the same conclusion.
So yes, this analysis is demoralizing for people who volunteer earnestly every year for a Democrat candidate they really believe in. Yes it’s demoralizing for the people who donate every month, listen to the podcasts, follow the inside baseball, and hang their emotional well being on electoralism on the faulty premise that this is how we will save people and the planet. Yes, of course it’s demoralizing. But just as you have no obligation to make people feel a certain way about their false beliefs, I and those who share my position have no obligation to maintain the morale of people who believe voting will save us or even result in harm reduction. Our obligation is to propagate our analysis of the way the world works, to constantly revise our understanding based on research and data and lived experiences, to debate within our own communities about the various positions we have, and to adapt our understandings and our behaviors to have the maximum positive effect on the world. In our analysis, that means shutting down the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie as fast as possible by any means possible. The general strike is the least harmful and most readily available means.
And while people are striking, they can still take time to vote their conscience.
Can I just say I think this was eloquently put, and I philosophically and intellectually largely agree. In Australia where I live voting is compulsory; in that context there is less conflict in that “d, all of the above” praxis can be actualised simultaneously.
However, I am ambivalent about it in the context of the USA, however, where militating every possible vote against someone as egregiously awful and negatively impactful as Donald Trump seems from the outside to be a no brainer.
I say this admittedly selfishly, as the decisions he/his handlers make particularly in the realm of rolling back of environmental rights seem to impact the entire world for generations to come.
However, maybe this is just our Great Filter ¯\(ツ)/¯
Life will continue, perhaps it’s for the best it does so without H “sapiens”
But I weep for my (and all of our) children.
But Trump is not unique in this. The largest polluter in the world, bar none, is the US military. Every administration, every legislature, every politician, both parties expand the military and use it to bomb people all over the world.
Obama led the greatest expansion of fossil fuel extraction in the US ever.
All of Eurocentric society is guilty of destroying the planet. The Euro-empire developed the extraction processes, separated billions of people from their relationship with the planet (starting with themselves), and then imposed massive environmental destruction on those they subjugated as a condition of their survival.
I hope this is the filter for the eurocentric world and that settler states like your and mine get dissolved in the coming decades and that white people in those settler states become assimilated into the societies that remain connected to the land. The idea that a single group of humans could cause the extinction of everyone else is not something I’m willing to just shrug off. It has to be stopped, and voting hasn’t stopped it or even slowed it down.
Well, that is just not true. And for all the organizing that the crew in MLs claim to be doing there isn’t much to show for. Still I am not going to bad mouth them for working on their front, but I am calling them out for abandoning us here and their lack of strategic perspective. You have to live to fight another day.
And literally no amount of campaigning for the Ds will help you live another day. The Ds supported the creation of the enemy combatant designation. They supported mass domestic surveillance. They pioneered using drones against US citizens abroad. They created the DHS and ICE policies being used against us today. They created the private prison operation contractor market to achieve mass incarceration. They pioneered the mass deportation program. They cross the aisle and collaborate with the Republicans to condemn communism and socialism. They do had the entire Epstein Files in the DOJ and did nothing to stop anyone despite knowing the the Trump Faction’s plans.
You are making claims that sound good but have no basis in reality. Democrats have never allowed us to live another day, its our fellow citizens that do that. And the more we focus on electoralism, the more that protection erodes because it does nothing to address the power system and its root and every day that power system works to split the working class in order to divide and conquer us.
The Ds are not protecting you. They never have and they never will.
D is still here the progressive wing lives and we should grow it as much as possible where they are winning primaries. In other places we are not so privileged as to the purity of our reps. Evey negative thing you have to say about a D is still a preferable outcome to a crusader R in that office. I get your critic, but you are lacking perspective and you are abandoning your allies that have less privileged and unable to move.
Your organizing and grassroots is cool and all, but its not in my corner of the world. And you are not coming out to support me, so… yeah.
You’re imagining things. You are imagining that vote mongering has an effect. The research is pretty clear that it doesn’t have any effect. Again, you could be organizing your community to prepare for a general strike and then go vote and then keep organizing for a general strike. Instead you are clearly establishing yourself as someone who will only engage with people who vote and moralize that failing to vote is a moral failing and that people should follow you to voting booth.
You fail to acknowledge that corporate profits are highest under Ds, that the largest ever expansion of fossil fuels happened under Ds, that the expansion of ICE happened under Ds, that the expansion of racialized mass incarceration happened under Ds, and that everything the Rs want the Ds give them. You fail to acknowledge that the fight for abortion rights is not simply because the Rs took office but because the Ds failed three times to even make a motion to codify into law while they had the trifecta of power. That Trump is in office and not in jail because Biden/Harris explicitly chose to not move on the Epstein Files.
Your beliefs are false beliefs that don’t match reality. The Ds aren’t protecting you. They literally created the second Trump term with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created the ICE crisis we have now with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created the 2008 global financial crisis with their deliberate and open actions. They literally created contemporary the fossil fuel ecocide with their deliberate and open actions.
Voting for Ds created exactly the things you think voting for Ds will mitigate. Your position is not based on reality. It’s based on the desire to not feel demoralized, the emotional need to believe a story that keeps you safe and puts the moral burden on others.
It’s time to reexamine your beliefs
Well until the reality of the ML organization is going somewhere, the rest of us still have to deal the the consequence of the election.
So, to retread that comment, I said 2 important things:
Organizing is the method by which to grow working class power and gain change
Marxists do not emphasize voting because capitalism cannot be reformed into socialism from within
I fail to see how identifying a working strategy and arguing against a failed strategy is “demoralizing.” If anything, knowing for a fact that organizational practice is key, effective, and practical is extremely uplifting. I am also explicitly in this comment against focusing on elections, not against voting in any and all capacities.
Perhaps you should stop spreading disinformation and sowing division by misrepresenting the views of Marxists? Then you likely wouldn’t see such strong pushback from people correcting the record. It’s the same tired strawman as those that say socialists support Trump because we also oppose the DNC.
With all respect I am not calling names to your views, even with their lack of apparent progress. DSA won a major election in NYC and is becoming more known. Even then many places don’t have a DSA at all, let alone a PSL.
You are at the end of the day ranting about people wanting the general public to vote as left as possible where they are. That is quite divisive.
Congrats to the DSA for winning the mayoral seat in New York City! The primary advantage of this is that it advertises the DSA as an organization that, at least nominally, supports socialism. Mamdani’s position, however, helps highlight the futility of trying to change capitalism into socialism brick by brick from within, why electoralism is inevitably a dead-end, and the only utility it has with respect to socialism is advertising.
You are correct to say that many places do not have a DSA, or a PSL. This is why the focus should be on grassroots organizing, not electoral campaigns. Imagine if the resources used by the DSA to canvass for elections were employed by disciplined cadre sent out to these areas to start new chapters! The PSL does this, but by nature of being a demcent party is smaller. The strength of the DSA is in numbers, the weakness is in always tailing behind when it comes to strategy and tactics.
To the DSA’s credit, internally there is widespread debate about reform vs revolution. If the DSA successfully converts to a revolutionary organization, then I will re-evaluate them.
I am not “ranting about people wanting the general public to vote as left as possible.” This, again, is a dishonest characterization of myself and the Marxist position on resource allocation in an organizational capacity. I am vocally opposing making elections the primary capacity by which an organization uses its resources and efforts, and instead advocating for making grassroots organizing the primary effort. This is the Marxist position, not what you have been presenting in memes and comments.
Notice that your language states you do not support them. Hence my position never actually misrepresenting you or the broader
.ml. Still the DSA is in better position to minimize harm in the mean time, and better position to grow in membership; which it will need for converting to a more revolutionary party.I am okay with the revolution not happening in my life time. It takes a while for culture to shift away from capitalism, but it would be nice to have some respite and as much breathing room while we get there. Currently
.mltypes are not really helping in that front other than assuring the rest of us that they are organizing.You said Marxists “cannot spare a few hours to vote.” I stated that the actual position is that Marxists emphasize the importance of grassroots organizing over focusing primarily on elections and trying to change the system from within. Marxists do not fight against reforms, we oppose methods that leave reform as the dead-end. The DSA, as a reformist party, cannot achieve socialism. This is why I do not support the DSA in its present iteration. Do I think they are as bad as the DNC or GOP? No. Do I think they are taking an ineffective path? Yes.
You keep referencing a nebulous, vague, “.ml type.” This “type” is a strawman you drag around and beat publicly, not an actual position, ideology, or political party. This is probably convenient for you, but it isn’t particularly compelling of an argument. The Marxists are organizing, to the point that the state is cracking down on all manner of left groups.
Critically, I am not okay if we do not establish socialism within my lifetime. Climate change is an active danger that stands to kill us all if we do not end capitalism’s insatiable lust for profit over people, and imperialism kills millions while the US Empire still exists. We do not have the luxury of ineffective practice and taking it easy while climate change is on the clock and the global south suffers for our inability to do what must be done.
I have been on lemmy for some time now. I see
.mlin the exact same place. DSA has a major city. Even shit dems drag their feet where a repub would be a crusader. The way I see it is that it buys you time, so I hope all this organizing is actually going somewhere. Tho it does seem odd that for all the passion and urgency.mlreally does not seem intrested in material results.I am not going to argue that the DSA is all that, but they show more people that socialism is not scary.
Shit dems give less robust support to Israel. Did you know that is still helpful to those on the literal front line? Well thanks to
.mlall or nothing means that Hamas now has to fight Israel at its strongest.I mentioned it before. Elections have consequences and it would be great is
.mlhad solidarity to help minimize the negative parts. All war is class war, and soldiers get dirty if they are in trenches. They also have to live to fight another day.