Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)
It was not until it was called ‘Plant based’ that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)
Ethical? in the form of ‘less matter’ one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can’t do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.
you know, empirical data was also used to determine that Africans and women didn’t have consciousness and were just mindless beasts.
perhaps in another 60-100 years we’ll have a better understanding of sentience and will determine that plants, being a different organism, lacks a brain or nervous system but has something comparable.
point is, just because youknow something today doesn’t mean it’s factually the truth.
instead of basing decisions on your diet entirely from an emotional reaction, perhaps it’s best to determine your diet based on hard facts of nutritional value and environmental impact.
But I personally do it because we know animals feel fear and pain, and we do not know that about plants.
Why are you fighting in favor of needless slaughter? Fucking psychopaths here.
you seem to be in an emotional hysteria right now. so it’s natural that someone would think that you’re basing all your information on emotional triggers because you are arguing in an unstable emotional state.
go outside and touch grass, you need the downtime.
we’ll all be here waiting for you to call us names again once you’ve calmed down.
Veganism.
Their entire basis of preaching guilt over the consiousness angle was egotistic, overzealous and unproven.(either all plant matter and all animal matter are consious or they are all not. Therefore everyone, no matter what matter they consume to survive, remains guilty of ending a consiousness or not and therefore neither diet maintains the higher ethical ground to guilt from. I will not be convinced otherwise. And especially not while every white paper starts with defining consiousness is always in their own pure hubris)
It was not until it was called ‘Plant based’ that i got on board as that research is proven. yes: it is healthier, yes: less emmissions. yes: uses less matter to consume. yes: more sustainable. (Although not sustainable for those who remain unable to digest beans as a form of protien. but that is another story)
Ethical? in the form of ‘less matter’ one might try to argue but i would not use any guilt angle on ethical stance so long as any matter that may be argued to contain consiousness is consumed. No ethical stance starts with measuring anything in value as ‘less than’ another so long as it is used just to justify to find their own comfort to judge others from.
Plants do not have brains or nervous systems, they are not conscious.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8052213/
I am aiming for a vegan lifestyle, but it is difficult to escape hidden milk and eggs in unexpected places. I hope everyone can agree that factory farming is needlessly cruel and should not be supported. I am happy with any steps taken to reduce suffering in the world. I think too many people view it as all-or-nothing, and they can’t do all so they do nothing. But every choice we make affects the world we share; any individual can make a difference, even a small one, and they add up.
you know, empirical data was also used to determine that Africans and women didn’t have consciousness and were just mindless beasts.
perhaps in another 60-100 years we’ll have a better understanding of sentience and will determine that plants, being a different organism, lacks a brain or nervous system but has something comparable.
point is, just because you know something today doesn’t mean it’s factually the truth.
instead of basing decisions on your diet entirely from an emotional reaction, perhaps it’s best to determine your diet based on hard facts of nutritional value and environmental impact.
No, it wasn’t. Empirical data was fabricated. There was never evidence to support those claims, which is why we no longer believe them.
I’m not, I’m basing decisions on evidence. Fuck you for projecting your idiocy onto me.
Which includes eating meat instead of plants. But I personally do it because we know animals feel fear and pain, and we do not know that about plants.
Why are you fighting in favor of needless slaughter? Fucking psychopaths here.
you seem to be in an emotional hysteria right now. so it’s natural that someone would think that you’re basing all your information on emotional triggers because you are arguing in an unstable emotional state.
go outside and touch grass, you need the downtime.
we’ll all be here waiting for you to call us names again once you’ve calmed down.