and there’s been a fair number of court rulings finding specifically that AA is indeed a religious organization… . . Most of those lawsuits centered on whether it was appropriate for the government (or government funded entities) to coerce attendance
I’m sure the context for those suits was all about whether God could create a stone so heavy he himself couldn’t lift it, and also how a higher power of one person’s understanding is a perfect basis for a religion. Thank dog two people don’t have the same understanding - if they did and they were to, oh shit, meet! Oh it’s too terrible to contemplate.
religion /rĭ-lĭj′ən/
noun
The belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers, regarded as creating and governing the universe.
“respect for religion.”
Some people in AA got that, sure. Some people in actual fucking religionsdo not got that. Ain’t that a bitch. What’s a poor boy to think.
A particular variety of such belief, especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice.
“the world’s many religions.”
This is what you’re stating AA is and it’s bullshit. You know how i know? Because there’s nothing about my understanding that applies to anyone else. We have a hellacious time setting feast days - we just can’t agree! How the fuck are we gonna get the t-shirts printed in time! Worst.religion.evar.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
I know you’re dumb as shit, but even you can’t believe that. Right? Don’t bother.
AA teaches that individuals are powerless to change themselves, that is inherently a removal of personal agency. for fucks sake…step one is:\
We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
So, riddle me this Einstein: if step one is to say we were powerless over alcohol, and (let’s say, for funsies) we somehow remove that powerlessness, okay, who did that?. You wanna say that AA “teaches” that “god” did it, right?
Yeah, wrong again, asshole. Wrong again! Shit, you’re bad at this.
When people speak of religious trauma, and especially “christian shame”; this is what people are talking about. that inability, that inadequacy is deeply harmful.
Well, yeah that’s super fucked up. And it’s not anything that AA “teaches”. Look, you clearly had a go of something with some fucked up shit and I’m sorry about that, but you’re painting AA with that brush and that’s just wrong. Just.wrong.
Any AA person that tells you you can’t do anything without God™ is absolutely full of shit. Just like you. You lying, ignorant fuck.
AA targets alcoholics who are desirous of becoming sober.
AA explicitly doesn’t target shit. Anyone that says otherwise is also lying. One of those Twelves you pretended to have read says so explicitly. You want to try AA to get straight? Many have and done. You don’t want to? Also good. Goodbye and good luck.
This is an inherent aspect of AA’s religious nature.
Shithead, you’re talking shit again. THERE AIN’T NO RELIGIOUS IN IT. Do Jews go to AA and start talking to Jesus? Hindus? Bhuddists? Agnostics, Athiests, Anarchists, Arachnids, Applebees? All secret undercover Jesus freaks in the warm bosom of seekrit-forced-meeting-AA huh? Fuck. Stop being an idiot.
this inherent manipulate nature, this targeting of vulnerable people, and the leadership roles create a power dynamic that is attractive to certain kinds of people.
Sure, we call them fucking assholes and we don’t associate with them. Just like regular non-seekrit-forced-undercover-jesus-religion life. You’re not wrong, there are people in AA that want to tell you who to date, what meds are ok to take and how to pray real good, and my advice, as was advised to me, is stay the fuck away from those people.
You think they’re not in your “modern, secular, very effect” treatment programs? GTFO. You have a much harder time staying away from them when you paid $35,000 to them and promised to live there while they judge your ‘progress’. Shit, in AA you just say
because AA only works by manipulation, and by removing peer pressure, and by stripping agency from vulnerable people, and creating a dependence on the group itself.
Goddamn, dude whatever the fuck happened to you sounds terrible. But that’s not how AA works. That’s not how it’s written, that’s not how it’s practiced, that’s not anything I’ve ever heard or seen as part of any AA expeeience I’ve heard about.
So I’m sorry whatever it was was like that, but you’re talking shit about AA. Pure shit.
I’m sure the context for those suits was all about whether God could create a stone so heavy he himself couldn’t lift it, and also how a higher power of one person’s understanding is a perfect basis for a religion. Thank dog two people don’t have the same understanding - if they did and they were to, oh shit, meet! Oh it’s too terrible to contemplate.
Some people in AA got that, sure. Some people in actual fucking religions do not got that. Ain’t that a bitch. What’s a poor boy to think.
This is what you’re stating AA is and it’s bullshit. You know how i know? Because there’s nothing about my understanding that applies to anyone else. We have a hellacious time setting feast days - we just can’t agree! How the fuck are we gonna get the t-shirts printed in time! Worst.religion.evar.
I know you’re dumb as shit, but even you can’t believe that. Right? Don’t bother.
So, riddle me this Einstein: if step one is to say we were powerless over alcohol, and (let’s say, for funsies) we somehow remove that powerlessness, okay, who did that?. You wanna say that AA “teaches” that “god” did it, right?
Yeah, wrong again, asshole. Wrong again! Shit, you’re bad at this.
Well, yeah that’s super fucked up. And it’s not anything that AA “teaches”. Look, you clearly had a go of something with some fucked up shit and I’m sorry about that, but you’re painting AA with that brush and that’s just wrong. Just.wrong.
Any AA person that tells you you can’t do anything without God™ is absolutely full of shit. Just like you. You lying, ignorant fuck.
AA explicitly doesn’t target shit. Anyone that says otherwise is also lying. One of those Twelves you pretended to have read says so explicitly. You want to try AA to get straight? Many have and done. You don’t want to? Also good. Goodbye and good luck.
Shithead, you’re talking shit again. THERE AIN’T NO RELIGIOUS IN IT. Do Jews go to AA and start talking to Jesus? Hindus? Bhuddists? Agnostics, Athiests, Anarchists, Arachnids, Applebees? All secret undercover Jesus freaks in the warm bosom of seekrit-forced-meeting-AA huh? Fuck. Stop being an idiot.
Sure, we call them fucking assholes and we don’t associate with them. Just like regular non-seekrit-forced-undercover-jesus-religion life. You’re not wrong, there are people in AA that want to tell you who to date, what meds are ok to take and how to pray real good, and my advice, as was advised to me, is stay the fuck away from those people.
You think they’re not in your “modern, secular, very effect” treatment programs? GTFO. You have a much harder time staying away from them when you paid $35,000 to them and promised to live there while they judge your ‘progress’. Shit, in AA you just say
Goddamn, dude whatever the fuck happened to you sounds terrible. But that’s not how AA works. That’s not how it’s written, that’s not how it’s practiced, that’s not anything I’ve ever heard or seen as part of any AA expeeience I’ve heard about.
So I’m sorry whatever it was was like that, but you’re talking shit about AA. Pure shit.