Hur hur, food over socializing amirite guys???

That said, I have always specifically hated clubbing because I don’t care about dancing, I enjoy drinking alcohol and talking to people though. Or at least I used to before becoming so depressed about my (ex?)friend group that I don’t think if I won the lottery I would care.

That is a cute baby, but in my own situation I literally could not afford or accommodate a pet anyway. Plus, If a cat showed up, I would get kicked from my apartment (cameras) if I tried bringing in a animal without first getting their OK. I’d have to get a friend to come pick it up from me outside of the complex.

Simple solution from someone who has experienced a huge amount of pet death and legitimately find it intolerably horrible: stop getting pets.

Unironically, mostly yes.

That isn’t the question, that is a pivot, but fuck it I’ll bite.

Do you really need to fucking use the term “neoliberal order”? You sound like you are talking about an evil cabal in Deus Ex. I can’t take it seriously. Just say capitalism. Do they oppose capitalism as a whole party? No.

But some of them individually certainly seem to and the ones talking to most leftwing politics are doing generally pretty decently right now in primaries and generals.

But whatever, really at this point who fucking cares? No one gives a fuck about reality anymore and the world is going to collapse into garbage regardless. Getting democrats at this point is just an opiate vs getting republicans which would be more like being fucked by a knife on our collective deathbed.

Give me the drug. I prefer the drug over the knife fucking. OK? Its that simple.

This is almost repeating the argument that is literally what the OP is getting at.

The point is democrats and republicans are not the fucking same and people who say they are are not serious people or worth serious consideration.

You and @Space_Cowboy92 don’t seem to have the best reading comprehension.

I was refuting that democrats are “by definition” pro capitalist. Not whether the party leadership always had an explicit pro capitalist agenda. Those are different things.

Now, I did say their ideology has changed, which is also true. I said that to support my argument, but it was not the point I was making in of itself.

Weaseling in a word that indicates an immutable and intrinsic trait to something that is not immutable in that way and then subtly backpedaling to a different stance is slimy.

Democrats are a political party, one that hasn’t had a consistent ideological set of beliefs throughout its own existence. For that matter neither has the republican party.

They are not “by definition” pro capitalism.

In the end we’re all dead. Right now I’d like to live in a world not run by fascists. Simple as that. People lives, including my own and yours, would be better if fascists were not in power.

Additionally, Hakeem Jefferies is not the only democrat. There are many democrats and some are worse or better. While essentially every republican is a monster or at best an unhinged lunatic.

Jefferies also is, even as a empty husk of a politician, better than an ideological fascist. Because if socialists were in power, Hakeem Jefferies would be incentivized to work with them to maintain power, while in the current instance, he is incentivized to work with fascists.

Jefferies is not an ideologue. He’s a power loyalist.

Is voting the end all be all of one’s political choices? Or perhaps after mitigating the worst outcome, people could have recognized that there is more work to be done?

Because voting democrat is not necessarily an endorsement of them, at least in a two party system. It is a condemnation of the other party. Thus, voting democrat is not choosing a lesser evil it is rejecting a greater one.

I’ve previously voted democrat because of great deal many completely unselfish reasons that would have helped people other than myself. Sure, self interest played a role, but it was far from the main reason.

Now… spite and self interest is kind of is my main reason this midterm election, but that’s because I’ve grown to simply hate most people after November 2024 as its dawned on me the number of selfish imbeciles I’m drowning in and assume we’re fucked anyway so might as well get some relief before the big funny kills all/most/many of us, whatever it may specifically be.

Let me say as a person who used to care about elections for self interest and humanitarian reasons but at this point kind of no longer gives much of a shit about elections other than being fueled by self interest and a new sense of deep and bitter spite:

Voting for a party doesn’t equal party loyalty. Pointing out that one party is significantly worse than the one you think people should vote for isn’t party loyalty either. You can hate both parties and still vote for one and have good reasons to do so and encourage others to do the same with good reasons to do so.

Either you are an imbecile and don’t know what words mean and shouldn’t be posting and embarrassing yourself or you are a scumbag liar pretending to not know what words mean. In either case everyone should ignore you.

TIL Pelosi is the only democrat.

You are either insufferably stupid or this is bait.