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“Found in translation”
In Japan, if you use a word wrong, people will almost certainly not tell you so as not to embarrass you unless your mistake is sufficiently more embarrassing or insulting.
My grandmother liked to tell the story of when she visited in Japan in the 60s and greeted a bunch of people by saying “Idaho.”
I was taking a summer afternoon nap with my girlfriend (now wife) and got up to look out the window for some reason about 8 years ago. She got up in a sleepy haze and said “Are you leave without say goodbye?”
We’ve been saying that to each other since.
One nice thing about English, it will lexical borrow from you in an instant.
We just love new ways to say old boring stuff.
Ironically, same with Japanese. They have an entire alphabet dedicated to foreign words, Katakana. You want a hamburger and a beer? That’s a “ハンバーガーとビール” (Hanbāgā to Biru). Coffee from Starbucks on your way to work? That’s a “ドライブスルーコーヒー” (Doraibusurūkohi - a drive-thru coffee). Better fried chicken than anyone has a right to can be found at the “コンビニ” (Konbini - aka the convenience store). Learning Japanese it’s rife with these borrowed words. Half the time it’s “you’re fucking kidding.” The other half the time it’s learning some insane formalism that makes saying “thank you” take five minutes.
I have been saying it for years, English is a very informal and open language, have fun with it. Sky water is not technically a wrong way to refer to rain, liquid laundry soup is absolutely a sauce for your laundry, dish bricks, day star, the list goes on
I remember an interview with Lisa Kudrow in which she described her French boyfriend’s failure to remember the English word for toes, and said they were foot fingers.
English: if the people you’re talking to understand what you’re saying, you’re ok. Even if the people you’re talking to don’t understand what you’re saying, you’re still ok. Just be fancy with your words, and everyone will like it.
In french, that’s really the name that is given to them, colloquially : doigts de pied (foot fingers)
The real term is orteils (toes)
They’re really good at it, too. Sometimes it’s even charming. For example, potatoes are “earth apples.”
I knew someone who used the term “bird leaves” which I find hilarious.
Laundry soup, yumm
I think this is one of the reasons why English (or it’s descendants) will forever be the international language of trade. If it’s not your first language, it’s damn difficult to make yourself sound like a native speaker, but it’s damn easy to make yourself understood.
but it’s damn easy to make yourself understood.
Words ordering with grammar can be unimportant to being known.
On the flip side, a lot of other languages have retained structures which require a detailed knowing of grammar in part because they haven’t needed to be learned by amateurs.
Mate we’re all amateurs here. Unless you are being paid to learn languages
True, though I would personally count that as a bad thing. Purity of language, to me is irrelevant. That opinion may be coloured by the fact that I’m a native English speaker, and there hasn’t been anything resembling purity in this language for thousands of years. To me, the point of language is open communication. Any impediment to that is a negative.
In japan don’t you just get jouzu’d for any less than native equivalency and/or for looking too gaijin
Depends on where in Japan and the age of the person you’re talking to.
Can confirm, this is basically how it goes in Texas. Almost a decade ago, my best friend and I were browsing this little hole in the wall shop in central TX run by an elderly Japanese couple. They got to chatting with us and at one point, said we were “forever friends”. I’ve been using that phrase to describe us ever since.
One phrase I have eaten from Joe Abercrombie for anything eloquenty put is simply “those were good words”. Even simple words hit hard when meant sincerely.
Would recommend the book series (First Law trilogy)!
