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No parking
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Single-stair buildings
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A street width most fire departments wouldn’t allow
privatization and gentrification on public space that pushes out residents of their own places .
Eeeeewwwww, monopoly
Now all I can think of is a cop car just smashing through that alley, like every chase scene in the 80’s
Technically those buildings are only three stories. I have no idea the floor plan, but three deckers with one stairway are definitely allowed. It’s just bigger buildings that need the second stairway
Charming? What’s charming about eating in an alley?
In the U.S. you can rape children (and adults) and be the president. So I don’t think there’s much value in comparing things to their legal status in the U.S.
I thought those were socks on clothes lines haha
I personally wouldn’t call it charming.
Crowded. Small. Blocking the pavement. Inside concrete jungle. Hot as fuck.
I ate at a place in Pasadena that was similarly laid out and it was great.
Name drop plz!
Pretty much everywhere on Colorado Blvd (Route 66) is like that when you get towards downtown. Any Asian restaurant you pick will probably be fucking lit due to its proximity to the San Gabriel Valley (largest Asian population in the US).
It would be illegal to build anywhere in Europe today as well. This is medieval street. Modern stuff isn’t built to be cozy. Even 19th century avenues were planned in a way that you could charge with calvary at the unruly masses.
That said, modern developments often do have nice outdoors as well but its usually more in the open.
But unlike in America, it still wouldn’t be legal to drive through and run those people over.
although i have never been to the usa, i am fairly certain that, despite its flaws, it is illegal to run people over with a car over there. Probably anywhere on earth
Since the BLM protests some states have made laws that allow motorists to run over anyone if they are not legally crossing and are blocking them (i.e. protestors but really it means anyone in a road or street who might be inconveniencing a right-winger in their car).
Have you ever heard of castle doctrine? It’s like that but with a car instead of a gun.
Maybe a bit earlier than blm ….
Depends on your income. Enough wealthy people get away with vehicular manslaughter with a few months of domiciliary arrest, that it is essentially a meme in the US legal system. While a poor person of color would get shot at on the spot by police for knocking on the wrong door. Land of the free…etc.
Yeah even without the BLM Death Race laws, hardly anyone ever goes to jail for killing/injuring people with their car. Hell even people who kill others while under the influence very often won’t get charged with vehicular homicide.
Remember that little “Afluenza” twerp from about 10 years ago who got a slap on the wrist after killing a bunch of people while driving drunk? The judge ruled “He’s rich and therefore it’s in his nature (“Afluenza”) to do stuff like that, so he can’t be held criminally liable.”
The car is your table and seating.
Spaniard love to eat outside for some reason. Sometimes you will see couple of small tables on a sidewalk right next to a busy street because people just prefer to sit outside, even if it not pleasant at all. Maybe it’s because inside it’s usually so noisy you can’t have a conversation without shouting…
Funny (well, funny enough) story: a friend was visiting me in Spain and as we were looking for a place to eat she goes “let’s go to the port, we will be able to see the water”. I was like “that’s a weird priority… but ok”. So we find a nice place in the port, sit down, I look around and the restaurant was full British people sitting on one side of the table looking at the sea.
Weird how every nation is obsessed with some details others don’t really care about.
Ya it’s super weird an island nation is would enjoy the sea. Super weird humans enjoy water. There’s a perfectly good crowded alleyway right there!!!
Look, I love the sea and water noises, but I can’t stand the gulls or grackels (less common worldwide, but act like a cross between seagul and pigeon)
I just cant stand the smell of freshwater marine life.
lol
But its nots really hate as I know the ecosystem I live in depends HEAVILY on that life . Its more of ‘I respect them from afar… 5 KM afar lol’
Not my adorable loving flying water rats!!! We love them so!!! Mischievous little gluttons they are.
They are fine, but I want them to be fine over there.
Looks like a nightmare for many wheelchair users.
Well they don’t have that many to be such a problem. Nobody shoots each other and they don’t send any young adult to be blown up in middle east for oil. Also easier to keep fit and healthy as food is not engineered to be addictive
Every person eventually becomes disabled or dead. You are no exception no matter how good your health is right now.
What the fuck?
That’s fucking crazy bro. Please tell me you’re a teenager. This is definitely the world view of someone who is probably peeking in physical shape right now. It’s a long road down life buddy get ready for those knees to hurt.
(Peaking, possibly)
Correct. I’m a disable slob so you get what autocorrect gives ya! English was never my best subject in school, however I personally ignore that and blame apple.
This is ableism
One of the few things I, as an American, feel comfortable making fun of Europeans about is how inadequate their ada accessibility is.
Modern European buildings are handicapped accessible. What they don’t do is tear down old buildings for the benefit of a few disabled people. Or make it so expensive to reuse old buildings that they fall into neglect. Before you go there, I do have a disability but not a mobility problem.
At least in Spain, all the public buildings are retrofitted with removable wheelchair ramps and wheelchair lifts. They also install handrails and other accessibility measures, like tactile flooring/paving for the blind, non slip surfaces or induction loops.
Private buildings are different, because the owner (or owners) have to decide to implement those measures themselves, unless they’re offering a public service in that building. Most don’t implement those accessibility measures because they don’t need them, but residential buildings often install them when someone who needs them lives in the building.
ADA= Americans with Disabilities Act? So you expect other countries to obey your legislation? There’s a surprise.
I’d expect them to care about disabled people… Which they don’t.
ADA in Europe lol May I suggest checking what that first A stands for….
Lol my bad. Point still stands, Europe has shit accessibility.
Right. For a group of people who spend a lot of time developing digital rights; you guys could probably use a bit more disability rights ya know?? Maybe that’s why there’s so many psychopaths in the comments that can’t understand how people end up in wheelchairs or disabled? I’m certainly noticing a theme here in the comments.
Bruh. You just called out a disabled person for other people’s comments/actions. I know you have some brain in there, since you’re on Lemmy, but come on.
Edit: Oh my god. You double commented too. Wth
Trying to enforce weird norms like no double comment… its an international platform, people are going to communicate in all types of ways. Some really odd chronically online behavior. Ima triple comment if i still got something to say that popped into my head after i post. Have you never heard or talked to someone with ADHD?? Or anyone disabled at all. Im waiting to hear what you thought i said… and im already guessing you dont understand sarcasm due to being a perpetual internet being.
I don’t downvote just because of hot takes, but I do double down. The triple comment is crazy. You do you.
Also, was busy. I’d love to be perpetually online, but can’t.
As for missing sarcasm. I was trying to call the first guy disabled to tie into a different joke payoff, but that chance has been murdered in cold blood from being taken too seriously.
Huh?? Are you talking about the thread where the guy said the Iraq war was how people ended up in wheel chairs?? Was I the disabled person I called out?? Not the double comment oh nooo! People have ADHD too! Yes, I am mentally and physically disabled. Sometimes people who are not Neurotypical we communicate differently than people who are. I’m pretty sure you’re having a reading comprehension problem as well but if you’d like to point out what I said, I’d be happy to respond to it.
There’s another discussion on lemmy about why right wing populism is rising. It seems like a lot of of you guys clung to those Nazi views about the infirm and disabled. Just sayin’
They have plenty of wheelchair users, you just don’t see them because it’s so inaccessible they’re stuck at home.
It’s hard to make a neighborhood accessible if the whole thing was built 500 years ago so I assume tons of places in southern Europe will have problems. Finland, on the other hand, is very accessible and last I checked, still in Europe.
Of course, and it’s fantastic to keep for its historical value. But OP is talking about developing modern spaces like this. Like 500 years of human activity didn’t create a few safety concerns along the way
THIS holy shit this
Do you think that the only people that use wheelchairs got there because of gun violence, bombs in the middle east, and health issues related to less healthy food?
Superior Euro purebloods can regenerate their limbs like sea stars.
That must be why their livers can work longer.
There’s one Canadian on record who can do the same.
Alot of Europe whent with America during Afghanistan. Fewer for iraq. Most of the problems in the middle east trace back to disisions made in France or Britain.
Yes and everyone in a wheelchair got their due to war. Obviously there’s no other medical reason to be in a wheelchair other than participating in a war.
I was only commenting on the part mentiond about Americans and forever wars. The Europeans have had wars for just as long. That’s not a reason America has better accessibility.
TBF the street width probably wouldn’t be legal in Spain, either, if it was built this century. Europe doesn’t build like this anymore.
Go to any image search and you will find dozens of pictures from Melbourne, Australia of outdoor dining in car free laneways (alleys) though with proper pedestrian access and accessibility. Imagine trying to get through that place in a wheelchair. There is a market for car free spaces anywhere in the world, even in car cultures like Australia. Given an opportunity people vote with their wallets on these things.
Focusing on medieval streets reinforces the idea that modern cities can not have nice places. They often have lots of great spaces which are under utilized or used poorly. Pedestrianizing those under utilized spaces like alleys can revitalize a local economy.
I’m super anti-car. But the other 2 points are legitimate issues. Y a kitchen caught for you need multiple paths out and the ability for a crew to get to the scene. This street would still be charming of it was a few feet wider and wasn’t a death trap lol
Europe usually has a more crews smaller units approach. For a built up area like this there would be be planing for how to stage and prepare for a fire. Knowing where the access points are and finding a way in. Most of the buildings in these areas may also have a service entrance for delivery and rubbish. being stone would limit the burnable material. The building also probably caught fire a few times already and survived.
I’m not worried about the building surviving lol. The danger is to the people with only 1 exit that could be blocked by fire. And suppose someone had a medical emergency here, getting help would take longer. I’m just saying, that taking safety into account isn’t the issue. Cars are the issue.
