but it seems like you’re letting rare anecdote drive your stereotyping into hostility towards a group - the exact thing you accused me of earlier.
i promise you it’s not rare, it’s an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.
To me:
Democrats don’t want a boot on my neck
Republicans want a Hitler-flavored boot on my neck
Tankies want a Stalin-flavored boot on my neck
this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.
saying that there’s no boot requires a lot of selective vision or you’re just the one wearing the boot.
for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and heirarchies.
To me:
Democrats want a boot on my neck, but with slightly slower and better managed extermination of undesirables
Republicans want a boot on my neck, but with significantly faster extermination of undesirables.
MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details
i promise you it’s not rare, it’s an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.
Loads of details left out of this, so I can’t really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is… how to put it politely… incorrect.
this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.
Yeah, fair to say that I hyperbolized - Democrats can be oppressors just like anyone else, but much like the meme points out, they do it far less, so that’s how I vote when the General rolls around.
The point, as always, is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5. Tankies (and their self-proclaimed non-tankie allies, as you claim to be) insist those numbers are identical, so you shouldn’t bother supporting either side. I think that’s preposterous to the point of clear bad faith argument, but I recognize it’s possible that someone… less wise… may in fact fully believe it.
5 is bad. I want it to be 0. But I’ll take 5 over 50,000 any day of the week and you will never convince me that’s wrong (in the General).
MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details
Frankly: bruh
You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.
Marxists may want to get rid of the boot, but Marxist-Leninists firmly do not.
Here’s some things you might want to read about (in case you’re not trolling) and anyone who made it this far who isn’t aware you’re completely wrong on that bit:
Loads of details left out of this, so I can’t really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is… how to put it politely… incorrect.
yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this officer.
‘tankies’ are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat. meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.
is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5.
dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine, the carceral state, the warmongering, the genocide funding, the preemptive compliance with trump. counting those as 5 tally marks would be laughable because that’s the infrastructure of harm that makes the 50,000 possible.
You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.
i have probably read orders of magnitude more from and about those guys than you have, but thank you for linking wikipedia to me
however many skulls you attribute to those fighting against capitalism, the pile created by capitalism dwarfs that.
yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this
“Someone didn’t immediately decide For or Against something with limited information?! Fucking fence sitter!”
‘tankies’ are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat.
Yeah, because they’re not in power (yet) in your area. How does that make any sense, to support despotism as long as it isn’t in power? If they seize power in your area and you are subsequently oppressed, then and only then will you be against their political philosophy?
Pretty selfish and short-sighted IMO. I hate nazis. I don’t need them to be in power to hate them.
meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.
Yeah again, I’m not advocating For or Against whatever crime you’re talking about because I have zero details about it.
I feel like it doesn’t take a lot of thinking to realize why, but I can hold your hand through the logic if you’d like.
dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
the carceral state
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
the warmongering
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
the genocide funding,
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
the preemptive compliance with trump
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
counting those as 5 tally marks would be laughable because that’s the infrastructure of harm that makes the 50,000 possible.
I have this same argument with you tankie(-allies) just about every week on Lemmy; you fail to understand the concept of “Lesser of Two Evils.” Or in your case, you fail to apply it to liberals when you are perfectly comfortable applying it to tankies. Either you’re confused or you’re a propagandist.
i have probably read orders of magnitude more from and about those guys than you have, but thank you for linking wikipedia to me
Evidently not, because just a moment ago you claimed there are zero boots on necks under Marxist-Leninist governments.
however many skulls you attribute to those fighting against capitalism, the pile created by capitalism dwarfs that.
Okay so now that you’ve moved the goal-post from “There is zero despotism under M-L” to “Well, a little despotism is okay. We can exterminate certain people we disagree with,” you align with fascists more than you align with liberals (or anarchists, for that matter).
Okay so now that you’ve moved the goal-post from “There is zero despotism under M-L” to “Well, a little despotism is okay. We can exterminate certain people we disagree with,” you align with fascists more than you align with liberals (or anarchists, for that matter).
i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes. you literally work/worked for the carceral state, you are in no position to accuse anyone else of being aligned with fascists.
Fair enough, I must’ve missed your niche definition of “the boot” (AKA authoritarianism).
Bizarre, but I guess if you’re doing mental gymnastics your worldview can definitely make sense to you, much like The Ice Wall is perfectly logical to Flat Earthers.
So in sum, you think that anti-capitalist authoritarianism literally is not authoritarianism. If that’s the case, we have nothing further to discuss.
it’s not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in. i am opposed to capitalism. overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists. i am in favor of that.
i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism
i promise you it’s not rare, it’s an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.
this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.
saying that there’s no boot requires a lot of selective vision or you’re just the one wearing the boot.
for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and heirarchies.
To me:
Democrats want a boot on my neck, but with slightly slower and better managed extermination of undesirables
Republicans want a boot on my neck, but with significantly faster extermination of undesirables.
MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details
the choice for who i ally with seems obvious
Loads of details left out of this, so I can’t really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is… how to put it politely… incorrect.
Yeah, fair to say that I hyperbolized - Democrats can be oppressors just like anyone else, but much like the meme points out, they do it far less, so that’s how I vote when the General rolls around.
The point, as always, is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5. Tankies (and their self-proclaimed non-tankie allies, as you claim to be) insist those numbers are identical, so you shouldn’t bother supporting either side. I think that’s preposterous to the point of clear bad faith argument, but I recognize it’s possible that someone… less wise… may in fact fully believe it.
5 is bad. I want it to be 0. But I’ll take 5 over 50,000 any day of the week and you will never convince me that’s wrong (in the General).
Frankly: bruh
You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.
Marxists may want to get rid of the boot, but Marxist-Leninists firmly do not.
Here’s some things you might want to read about (in case you’re not trolling) and anyone who made it this far who isn’t aware you’re completely wrong on that bit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
Plenty of M-L boots on plenty of necks in any of those examples. I don’t see how you could ignore that apart from a No True M-L fallacy angle.
yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this officer.
‘tankies’ are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat. meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.
dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine, the carceral state, the warmongering, the genocide funding, the preemptive compliance with trump. counting those as 5 tally marks would be laughable because that’s the infrastructure of harm that makes the 50,000 possible.
i have probably read orders of magnitude more from and about those guys than you have, but thank you for linking wikipedia to me
however many skulls you attribute to those fighting against capitalism, the pile created by capitalism dwarfs that.
“Someone didn’t immediately decide For or Against something with limited information?! Fucking fence sitter!”
Yeah, because they’re not in power (yet) in your area. How does that make any sense, to support despotism as long as it isn’t in power? If they seize power in your area and you are subsequently oppressed, then and only then will you be against their political philosophy?
Pretty selfish and short-sighted IMO. I hate nazis. I don’t need them to be in power to hate them.
Yeah again, I’m not advocating For or Against whatever crime you’re talking about because I have zero details about it.
I feel like it doesn’t take a lot of thinking to realize why, but I can hold your hand through the logic if you’d like.
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
Which Republicans are far more guilty of.
I have this same argument with you tankie(-allies) just about every week on Lemmy; you fail to understand the concept of “Lesser of Two Evils.” Or in your case, you fail to apply it to liberals when you are perfectly comfortable applying it to tankies. Either you’re confused or you’re a propagandist.
Evidently not, because just a moment ago you claimed there are zero boots on necks under Marxist-Leninist governments.
Okay so now that you’ve moved the goal-post from “There is zero despotism under M-L” to “Well, a little despotism is okay. We can exterminate certain people we disagree with,” you align with fascists more than you align with liberals (or anarchists, for that matter).
i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes. you literally work/worked for the carceral state, you are in no position to accuse anyone else of being aligned with fascists.
Then why the hell say “MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely” when you are advocating for that very boot?
Are you just hoping someone gullible reads what you’re writing?
as i said here, earlier in our correspondance
please try to keep up
Fair enough, I must’ve missed your niche definition of “the boot” (AKA authoritarianism).
Bizarre, but I guess if you’re doing mental gymnastics your worldview can definitely make sense to you, much like The Ice Wall is perfectly logical to Flat Earthers.
So in sum, you think that anti-capitalist authoritarianism literally is not authoritarianism. If that’s the case, we have nothing further to discuss.
it’s not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in. i am opposed to capitalism. overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists. i am in favor of that.
i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism