Swiss people being way more strict about quiet-hours laws than most other countries. Some people think it’s important to respect that and any immigrants should adapt to those laws, even if in their home countries they are not obeyed as strictly. Good thing I know it’s fascism now.
There’s nothing wrong with having quiet-hours laws and enforcing them. The problem is when the criticism is framed in terms of groups by ethnic or national identity. Either the violations should be enforced, as with any other rule/law, or perhaps there could be some kind of policy change.
All of that is worth talking about. My objection is to the idea that its appropriate to frame the problem in essentializing and racialized language.
Suppose I have a dispute with my Jewish neighbor. He loves to grill his kosher meat every Saturday with his family. I don’t like the smell. Here is one way to frame this dispute: “My neighbor has a custom of grilling meat on Saturdays, but I don’t like it because the smell wafts into my house and I’m vegan.”
Here is another “My JEW neighbor grills his JEW meat every Saturday because Jewish culture is just murderous and doesn’t care about animals like I and my culture do. He is such a piece of shit asshole, just like all of THOSE people.”
Which one sounds like a fair way to frame a discussion about a conflict between two people?
Now obviously your initial comment didn’t say anything overtly racist like in my example, which is very extreme. But you framed it as a conflict between some anomalous THEM and the ‘local’ culture, a.k.a., US. The problem is subtler, but its the same problem.
Haha my comment got removed by /u/[email protected] because apparently noticing that different countries have different customs regarding quiet-hours is racist 😂 Looks like someone never traveled to Spain.
As if every restaurant server in America who’s had to deal with white European tourists trying their damndest to get around our alcohol laws so their kids can have beer or wine with dinner are lying.
Ok, I will take that as a “no”. In your opinion there’s no way to talk about cultural differences that’s not literally fascism. Thanks.
What are these “cultural differences” that you can’t have a conversation about? Would you care to give us some of your opinions?
Swiss people being way more strict about quiet-hours laws than most other countries. Some people think it’s important to respect that and any immigrants should adapt to those laws, even if in their home countries they are not obeyed as strictly. Good thing I know it’s fascism now.
There’s nothing wrong with having quiet-hours laws and enforcing them. The problem is when the criticism is framed in terms of groups by ethnic or national identity. Either the violations should be enforced, as with any other rule/law, or perhaps there could be some kind of policy change. All of that is worth talking about. My objection is to the idea that its appropriate to frame the problem in essentializing and racialized language. Suppose I have a dispute with my Jewish neighbor. He loves to grill his kosher meat every Saturday with his family. I don’t like the smell. Here is one way to frame this dispute: “My neighbor has a custom of grilling meat on Saturdays, but I don’t like it because the smell wafts into my house and I’m vegan.” Here is another “My JEW neighbor grills his JEW meat every Saturday because Jewish culture is just murderous and doesn’t care about animals like I and my culture do. He is such a piece of shit asshole, just like all of THOSE people.”
Which one sounds like a fair way to frame a discussion about a conflict between two people? Now obviously your initial comment didn’t say anything overtly racist like in my example, which is very extreme. But you framed it as a conflict between some anomalous THEM and the ‘local’ culture, a.k.a., US. The problem is subtler, but its the same problem.
Haha my comment got removed by /u/[email protected] because apparently noticing that different countries have different customs regarding quiet-hours is racist 😂 Looks like someone never traveled to Spain.
Censorship on lemmy is reaching new levels.
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Always little hitlers in the comments. Say “romani” and watch you appear like roaches
Yea sure I’m the roach, not the guy in prison with a kid that has an alcohol addiction at age 12
As if every restaurant server in America who’s had to deal with white European tourists trying their damndest to get around our alcohol laws so their kids can have beer or wine with dinner are lying.
OP’s meme is absolutely true. This is an American boomer grandparent rant about black people with a single word substitution.