• CardboardDecoy@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    I feel like this all ignored the complete bastardization of any sense of language or definition in American politics. None of these words mean anything and engaging in it is playing party to the fucked up games people have invented to delay any sort of growth or action.

    “Neoliberal conservativeism” was a thing. They’re all nazis now. ‘Liberals’ is a slur against anyone who isn’t left enough. ‘Liberalism’ is the blood-shy self-blind median our parents and grandparents wanted for us so we didn’t have to watch our friends die in imperialists wars in Asia. Libertarianism was supposed to be a rejection of any of this and got coopelted by some of the most evil freaks in the system. The Left represents the most meaningful and poplist messaging we can mannage and is still consumed by bickering from people who can’t walj and chew gum or breathe at the same time.

    Stop trying to argue the labels.

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      Top comment:

      Stop trying to argue the labels.

      Rest of comments arguing labels.

      But, I think we need a banner to gather under, don’t we? Maybe it’s “proletariat”, but not many people know what that means. Your typical American family hasn’t a clue. Most of us aren’t arguing about labels on social media. Most of us are posting TikToks of our dogs, and watching Mr. Beast or Cocomelon(?), apparently. And, whoever-the-hell Charli Grace D’Amelio is. They know “socialist bad” and capitalism is money and they like money. They know Rs on the ballot let them have guns and promise lower taxes.

      Man, looking at Nextdoor where I live is disheartening.

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      17 days ago

      Ah, the Great American lie. Well one of them. The idea that American liberalism is somehow different. And yet when you actually start examining it it looks exactly the same. I mean you just said that liberalism in America is Anti-Imperialist and anti-war. If you’ve never opened a history book I suppose you might have come to that conclusion. How else you do it I have no fucking idea.

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        16 days ago

        If you actually read what I said it’s what out parents and grandparents wanted to achieve in lieu of imperialism and war. They were wrong because they couldn’t face the truth that the country their parents died for in WW2 would go on the put a boot on the neck of any country that tries to challenge their one sided control over worldwide economics.Then they died in droves in Korea and Vietnam for an ideal they just couldn’t believe mislead them.

        If you actually read it, of course.

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      17 days ago

      The truth is dead. There is no democracy, there is no politics. Just rich people throwing bones.

      USA is just an oligopoly.

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        16 days ago

        Representative democracy is worthless anyways. It favors short term, short-sighted solutions to problems that require long term, sometimes painful corrections. But the party that implements such policies will be heavily punished as soon as the public feels that pain. So instead the public continues to vote in short-sighted but temporary joy seeking politicians.

        An epistocracy combined with a civic service model would be far better. To be able to vote you must demonstrate a baseline capability of intelligence and rational thought along with having performed civic service in some way. Otherwise you cannot vote and simply live life normally.

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          16 days ago

          Democracy is simple and instinctual, democracy has the mechanisms to solve the issues you mention, that is what the parliament is for.

          But democracy requires good faith, unity and solidarity. The oligarchies have bombarded the baseline of those three by means of the new technologies.

          I have hope thought, this conflict between the few against the majority is always there. Twitter made Obama president, Twitter made Trump president.

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            15 days ago

            It doesnt help when the people acting ingood faith, unity, and solidarity have immoral intentions. You can have a fully functioning government that is completely evil. There has to be some inherent conflict to keep us continously evaluating societys trajectory.

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      16 days ago

      Reading this comment indicates you have a lsss-than-desirable understanding of politics.

      I want you to literally get a dictionary and encyclopedia and look up each term you just used. You’re about to learn some wild shit and become slightly less chauvinistic and ignorant.

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        16 days ago

        You noticed you got downvoted, and I’m going to explain this for you very slowly, but if you can show me where in any real execution of the terms in our national political discourse you can find a unanimous adoption of your ‘dictionary definition’ of these terms then I’ll concede you are so, so much more smarter than me. I don’t think Fox news has ever spit at a dictionary. You missed the fucking point.

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          15 days ago

          No point was missed. You demonstrated, during your rant about how people misuse words, that you don’t know what most of those very words mean.

          I’ll say it again. If you open up an encyclopedia of your choice and look up these mystifying words like “libertarianism” and “socialism”, you’ll actually get a real, concrete meaning for each of them, which would help a LOT in your quest to point out that others pervert political vernacular.

          But go ahead, say it again reeeeeal slow for me. I rather enjoy when chucklefucks try and fail to patronize me.