“As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang,” Kris allegedly said. “I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.”
Bullshit. This means he took a loaded gun, failed to clear it, put the barrel in the direction of a person, and pulled the trigger. Guns don’t just “go off”. All while having admitted to relapsing on alcohol. I count four mistakes there, where any one of them not having been made would have prevented this incident.
It’s almost like you’d have to intend to make that series of mistakes.
Lets break it down… (mostly for the non-americans who aren’t used to guns)
- Gun was loaded. You shouldn’t be storing a loaded weapon. So he either loaded it there or is an irresponsible gun owner.
- Gun was pointed at a person. Never point a gun (loaded or not) at anything you don’t intend to shoot.
- His finger was on the trigger. No trigger discipline at all. Index finger should be planted on the frame while doing literally ANYTHING other than meaning to pull the trigger.
This is the basics… Anyone who’s taken any gun safety course would know, any responsible gun owner would know and religiously follow…
- Treat every gun like it’s loaded
- Keep your finger off the trigger
- Don’t point at anything you don’t plan to shoot
- Be aware of what’s behind your target
Manslaughter in front of a grand jury didn’t even stick. It’s like the prosecutor had vacation plans didn’t want to to reschedule.
The awful thing is that if the family is behind the alcoholic trump father since he is still alive, there is no one left to bring justice in her name. Is she just to be forgotten and swept under the Texas rug?
Trump country is different. I was driving through a rural township and saw these signs “justice for some guy” and searched for the name. Nearby towns news article said he had multiple accounts of SA on kids and when the cops arrived with a warrant, he drove drunk into a bunch of stuff before getting rolled into a ditch. And now half the locals are mad that he’s in jail presumably without bail. WTF.
And these people were talking about Trump derangement syndrome like it only affects libtards and woke lefties.
He claimed he had a conversation about guns with his daughter and she asked to see the gun, having never discussed his gun ownership with him before.
In the statement, Kris Harrison, who admitted drinking wine earlier in the day, said: “As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.”
He told police who attended the scene: “We got it out to have a look and just as I picked it up it just went off.”
The inquest heard a grand jury in the US had determined there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone in connection with Lucy Harrison’s death.
Well. I guess the moral of the story is do not visit the USA.
As I say, the love they have for even their own children is entirely conditional. They will make you the enemy and kill you at a moment’s notice. If you have MAGA in your family, kick them out of what they can come to. Ostracization from family and society is the only nice thing we can do against them.
I think about this girl all the time. Her own father shot her over Trump. Trump. I just can’t wrap my head around it. Or around the jury deciding to just let him go. There’s corruption there somewhere.
That’s because MAGA people are rabid dogs
To be fair, it’s hard to prove causality.
Maybe he shot his own daughter because he loves Trump.
Maybe he loves Trump, because he’s the kind of man who would shoot his own daughter.
Maybe it’s a bit of both.
Back during his first term there was a story on the Risk podcast where an Asian guy told the story of going home after some time away at college and visiting the family that adopted him when he was a baby; and how, when he said he didn’t support Trump, that family almost beat him to death right there in the living room. It was one of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I think about that shit a lot.
I’m of a split mind about this one. On one hand it seems like an accidental thing, on the other Trump makes such a big deal out of meaningless bullshit on a regular basis that I’m persuaded to be temporarily braindead and say keep the rabbles rousing.
Nah, even if it was an accident he:
- handled a gun after drinking
- violated multiple fundamental rules of gun safety
- don’t point at anything you aren’t willing to destroy
- finger off the trigger until intending to shoot
That’s bare minimum reckless endangerment and manslaughter.
Anyone who would do a single one of these things, let alone all of them, isn’t responsible enough to own firearms.
Even if accidental any gun owner should know better than to get a gun out after drinking.
Literally sharia law honor killings.
We have lost texas
They don’t see sharia law as evil or unjust, they see it as competition to their own authoritarianism. Right idea, wrong religion (barely lol)
You give them way too much credit. Most of them don’t know what Sharia Law actually is.
“Unlawfully killed”
“Shot dead”
“Possible manslaughter”
It’s MURDER.
How much did you actually read about the case?
Enough to know he pointed a loaded gun at his daughter with the safety off and pulled the trigger, incidentally just after having an argument with her about trump; and that the maga fascist jury of peers in bumfuck texas decided to acquit him without a trial because “it was an accident” is apparently a reasonable explanation to them…
The killer claims it accidentally went off.
Even so, this is the kind of thing you need a proper trial to determine culpability. “He said it was an accident” after they had gotten in a heated argument and he lead her away to the gun room. His testimony absolutely not be taken for truth. And even if it was an accident theres definitely a case there for reckless endangerment/manslaughter. So I think the outrage at this news is justified
You can’t just load and chamber and fire a gun by fucking accident. Oh whoops the slide pulled back by accident, and I accidentally had my finger on the trigger, then I accidentally pulled all the way past the resistance of the firing pin. Nope. You murdered her.
Reckless endangerment / manslaughter is a bare minimum. You’d have to violate multiple basic safety rules for this to happen even following his story
Ya when people say Dems have a chance of winning Texas. Call that person a moron and go on with your day
Like nearly all the US, the cities are heavily blue and the rural parts are heavily red. The only difference between blue states and red states is which side of the halfway line it’s tipped towards. And nearly every state is close to the halfway mark—including Texas.
Texas has more dem voters than some states have people.
We have loads of left-leaning people who are eligible to vote. If more of them would actually vote, we’d get somewhere. Fortunately, the primary turnout numbers this year look good. More Democratic voters than Republican in the Senate race, and pretty close to even for the Governor. Compare to 2024 when over 2/3 of primary ballots cast were Republican. Polling looks better than 2018 with Beto v Cruz.
It’s a perfect storm for Dems this year in Texas. They have a good candidate for that state - a likable, charismatic young man who talks about his Christian faith a lot. The Republicans are fielding a particularly bad candidate - a corrupt attorney general who was nearly impeached by his own party for fraud, whose wife recently divorced him for cheating, and who narrowly won a closely contested primary. Beto came within 2.5 points of Cruz in 2018, and Cruz was/is popular in Texas, and Republicans in general weren’t as reviled back then. It’s still no better than a coin flip, but Talarico could win this year.
Political scientists estimate there are about 8 million consistently-Democratic voters in Texas and 6 million consistently-Republican voters. Out of a population of 30 million where everyone else flip flops and/or doesn’t vote.
The only reason the Republicans ever win in Texas is due to voter suppression/gerrymandering.
This is consistent with national estimates that there are roughly 1.5x as many Democrats as Republicans in the USA.
The only reason the Republicans ever win anywhere is due to voter suppression/gerrymandering.
If we had 100% voting population Republicans would never win again anywhere, especially in texas. That is why Republicans are so eager to disenfranchise voters. They’re trying to take away voting rights of women by making voters who change their name ineligible. They love the apathetic idiots who never vote.
Right now trump seems to have killed mail in voting for this year. Unless something changes the new usps system is sure to disenfranchise millions.
Literally a drunk and completely incompetent gun owner. He should be punished and made an example of. Your statement makes this sound completely intentional. The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don’t doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter.
This should be a textbook example for gun licensing and requirements of safe storage. This man’s negligence cost him his daughter and the court decided this was enough. I don’t think the court went far enough and I think this should be the basis for further legislation, but let’s not turn this case into a bogeyman about honor killings.
He wasn’t indicted. The Texas jury didn’t care about the murder enough to punish him whatsoever, that’s the problem.
The court appears to believe the claim that her death was accidental. I don’t doubt that he had no intentions of killing his daughter.
If you don’t have inside knowledge on the case, “not having doubt” on either intentions or no intentions is an incredibly moronic take.
Also, the job of a court of law is to establish innocence or guilt (and the degree thereof). This grand jury failing to indict is that grand jury refusing to do its duty to the people. While Germany is also going to shits, I am kinda glad that for now, our country is civilised enough to not have juries. Although we have the next worst thing, which is laypeople judges, for some cases.
I’m here about the title.
The local jury
Grand jury.
He was immediately released
Yes, that’s how this works.
Now, bear in mind, I’m only here about the part of this from the title that I quoted. For anyone outraged by that part, no.
The way this works:
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A matter is put before a grand jury. Only evidence submitted is by the prosecutor. Nothing from the defense. The standard of evidence is “probable cause”, which is a very very low standard. Basically, unless someone screwed something up massively, there will almost always be sufficient probable cause for a case to go forward.
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If probable cause is indeed found, the case will proceed. It may eventually have a trial by jury, where both sides present their case and a jury decides - for civil matters the standard is preponderance of the evidence (i.e. majority of evidence seems guilty or not), for criminal it’s beyond a reasonable doubt, meaning it seems pretty clear and any evidence that is against seems unlikely.
So speaking generally, when indictment in front of a grand jury fails, it means one of something like these happened:
- Fundamental evidence failed “probable cause”. For example, say it resulted from a traffic stop, but it was found that the traffic stop had no legal justification. Because of “fruit of the forbidden tree”, it might be entirely thrown out
- Perhaps the prosecutors failed to get their shit together on evidence
- Perhaps, as is theorized by some in this case, the prosecutor felt they had to present the case, but threw it on purpose, sort of like a prosecutorial nullification, if you will
So again, not talking about the case (I’ve discussed/debated in other threads - this is not a new story), just the parts of the title that make it clear OP doesn’t understand the difference between a jury and a grand jury. :)
Originating in England during the Middle Ages, modern examples include grand juries in the United States, and to a lesser extent, Liberia. wp
Sounds like a modern and reasonable institution.
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I mean, butter face
You saw a news article about a father who killed their daughter and your immediate comment is how much of this dead girl is fuckable?
You’re pearl clutching over a shit post. Get over yourself.
Very valuable contribution.
Not a comment in the whole thread that is
So this is actually about gun control and not Trump. We all agree that you should not have access to a gun if you’re insane. But we also agree that alcohol gives you diminished capacity. We can’t have guns and booze ever.
It’s important to also remember that fascists construct queer people as insane, and it’s completely reasonable for even an insane queer person to shoot an armed fascist. Would they not deserve a little tequila shot before and after, as a treat?
Being a fascist is not a capital offense. We are too quick to violence.
Listen pal, you have to accept the gravity of it. If you tell someone you want to kill them, they are completely reasonable to take you seriously and retaliate before you get the chance.
People who take up fascism do deserve violence, and the ones to take it up lightly should have thought of what it means to prescribe genocide before they did it. Grow up.
No that’s not lawful, thank God. You can certainly get away and tell the cops etc, but you are not allowed to murder someone because they voice homicidal intent. They have to also have means and be taking action.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t have to worry about systemic violence 👍
Some people don’t need to do it themselves, which is how they fool people like you into thinking only the victim is immoral for defending themselves when they are not in a position of power to discard violence. Yes, being a fascist is a violent act inherently because they advocate for the continued, escalated use of preexisting systemic violence against vulnerable groups.
Grow the fuck up, real life isn’t like comic books.
Just to be clear - claiming that you murdered someone in self defense because they advocate for a system which perpetuates violence against you is not lawful or likely to succeed. If it did, every minority could murder at will.
Oh no, it’s unlawful? 😱 That’s so strange…
Hey, why would every minority need to do that? Is there something about this system that poses an existential threat to them? Why would that be? Hmmmmmmmm 🤔
I’m sure you wouldn’t say you’re a fascist either; one of the many conveniences this system affords to the privileged: comfort with passively benefiting from murder.
