Congratulation to Melat Kiros, this just proves what I’ve so often claimed here on Lemmy.
That the best bet for change, is to become a member of the Democratic party, and help change it from within.If only more young people saw this reality rather than the moronic:
“DEMS BAD! LET DEMS LOSE TO FASCIST TO TEACH DEMS LESSON! OH WAIT, WHY ARE WE NOW COMMITTING 500 MORE GENOCIDES AND NO LONGER HAVE FAIR ELECTIONS?”
Losing affordable healthcare, and funneling even more wealth to the 1%, while making the economy worse both for working people and the country.
Nobody is saying that, they’re saying to set a minimum standard to vote democrat so that candidates like this get elected. This is where they gloat and say they were right.
My dude, they are saying this shit and this is why we’re in the boat we are in.
Young people historically haven’t been showing up to primaries. They’re not putting in the effort to get a candidate worth voting for.
So you’re left with 2 options:
- Shitty damage mitigation candidate
- The new Nazi party
The system favors the new Nazi party, so yes, inaction and voting 3rd party is objectively supporting the new Nazi party.
inaction is, but voting third party allows strategy adjustment based on exit polling and what third parties got votes, which does actually shift things left.
Objectively wrong.
In the US presidential election system, the Electoral College forces a maximum of 2 viable parties, and nothing else. It also favors Republicans as it gives them more value per received vote, meaning the Dems need to get more votes than Republicans to win each election, and even then it may not be enough like in 2016.
So when you vote for a 3rd party candidate, not only are you again supporting the GOP’s victory, you are also allowing them to move the Overton window further right, which is exactly what’s been happening.
The only thing that has successfully moved the Overton winfow left, in the US, is voting in Dem Socs in DNC primaries, and voting against the GOP candidate no matter what in general elections.
Even if your Dem politician is a neo-liberal, voting them in is a SIGNIFICANT slowdown of shifting the Overton window right than by letting the Republican win.
You did not respond to anything I actually said and instead made a stock post.
voting for 3rd parties that are, for example socialist, shows dems what people are voting against them for. It’s true that this favors the gop, that cost is sometimes worth it to shift the dems farther left. If polls show a milquetoast stance on gaza doesn’t get you elected… I believe politicians losing over israel for example is why the dems are being pushed left.
i never said the third party stands a chance.
Not voting only tells candidates that you’re not a reliable voter, so they can ignore you. They don’t see your non-vote as a protest vote, because failing to vote means you don’t exist to them. If you want to exist to politicians you have to vote. Also, there are nearly always down ballot candidates that are progressive that get ignored because morons act like the top of the ticket is the only reason to leave their moms basement.
Think of it from the perspective of a candidate, they have endless data showing them that no matter how hard they try they won’t meet your moral purity test, so they court reliable voters with their messaging and resources.
Most politicians are not reliable so people lose hope and stop voting yet people like you keep critisizing the voters and not the politicians
He’s criticizing the non-voters.
And i blame the system and politcians that allowed so much people to feel so desperate that they decide to not vote
A lot of things can be blameworthy.
If they were that desperate you’d think they would at least cast a vote, even against all hope. That’s what desperation means.
The word you were looking for is resigned. People felt so resigned that they decided not to vote.
They have data showing people don’t vote for them if they aren’t properly aligned with them on issues like israel. They then the one that tries to appeal to those things gets elected. Based on what you’re saying there’s essentially no point at all to voting or appealing to you, because you’ll vote for them no matter what. There’s only a reason to appeal to people if what you do changes whether they vote for you.
You’re whole argument is a series of straw mans and doesn’t actually address what I said. You can literally go in and vote for no one or only one down ballot candidate you believe in and that would be far more productive than not voting. I could be the most left wing candidate that ever lived and courting non voters would still be a waste in most elections. How are you going to convince me that courting someone that has voted in last 4 elections is less important than courting someone who skipped the last 4? If you don’t vote, you’ve announced to the world you don’t care and the world responded as expected.
And exit polling doesn’t exist for non voters if they don’t vote… Who are these mythical people who never vote but we have mountains of data on. The primary way parties get data is through voter rolls and party affiliation that they cross reference with purchased metadata. If your not voting they have a choice between targeting reliable voters they know support them and complete mysteries that never vote, be real here.
At least while FPTP is still the main system of election in the US.
Yes, and Republicans will do absolutely zero to change that, because abusing the system is one of their main strategies.
And old school Democrats won’t change it either for some reason, despite calling themselves democrats.
So it’s a long process of first changing the Democratic party from within, and then hopefully get the power to modernize democracy in USA.https://www.vote.nyc/RankedChoiceVoting
New York City, long a Dem stronghold, has implemented ranked choice voting.
How TF do you have a 29 year incumbent??
Mitch McConnell has been a senator in Kentucky for 41 years. Its ridiculous that there are no term limits for these people.
Term limits should be something carried out at the ballot box.
There has never been a moment of my life he hasn’t cast a shadow over. I’m gonna need a few hospitals after celebrating
Denver is pretty blue, so I’m not sure I’d be getting out over our skis here.
But even for a solidly blue area, we’ve had DeGette forever and it will be the first DSA representative for Denver. I think in order for a movement to grow, those first few dominos must fall first. These smaller wins will grow the movement into something larger as people see the benefits of the DSA platform. Or it will fall flat on it’s face.
No. The socialist movement is not growing.
The democratic socialist movement is growing.
I’ll leave you with my standard disclaimer:
Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy not socialism.
Dem soc =/= Soc dem
Democratic socialists are socialists, social democrats are not.
In a sense yes. Both Burnie and AOC describ themselves as democratic socialists but neither of them have ever advocated for the public ownership of production like in pure socialism. They have always supplimented they’re political views along with democracy.
So simple calling them socialists is incorrect. Also keep in mind that both of them are part of the DNC.
Edit: Bernie Sanders is registered as an independent and AOC is not part of the DNC.
Public ownership of production: isn’t that advocacy for public sector like public transport, state run utilities, stronger backing of unions.
No. That is an extremely common misconception that people try to argue for on this platform, but it is ultimately incorrect.
Virtually any form of government can incorporate things like public transportation, state-run utilities, and stronger protections for unions. None of those things, by themselves, make a system socialist.
Socialism is specifically an economic system in which the means of production are owned and controlled collectively, either by the public or by the workers themselves.
What you’re describing are social welfare programs. The word “social” is one of those confusing and often misused words in the English language. Different terms can sound almost identical while referring to fundamentally different concepts. Social welfare is not socialism, even though the two terms sound similar.
Thanks yes this seems to be a mistake, reading more into history I’ve even found that the push for better working conditions has come from elected social democrats and political union parties (1906 in the Netherlands) long before the Russian revolution.
Bernie’s actually not part of the DNC. He is registered as an independent.
This is correct. I stand correct.
You literally said Democratic Socialism and linked a quote contrasting Socialism (generally) to Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism.
Why does this post start talking about democratic socialism then link to a description of social democracy? Those are not the same thing.
In America, liberalism is called leftism, leftism is called fascism, and fascism is called bipartisan common-sense politics.
The nuances between Social democracy and Democratic socialism never stands a chance in public discourse.
I hope they can pull it off in November. That word “socialist” is like Pavlov’s bell, triggering the average American to vote Republican.
There isn’t going to be an election in November. Wake up.
The company that fired her is now sweating that she’ll be their Congressional Rep. I don’t advocate for her to retaliate, that’s MAGA nonsense, but I’d definitely let them know that I’m watching them.
Unless I knew about any nefarious dealings they may be up to, then I’d use my new power to send the attack dogs after them. Karma is what you get for being scum.
oh yeah. i once got constructively dismissed at an accounting firm because i wasn’t willing to help them commit fraud. the eeoc payment was nice, but what was better was getting their licensure yanked.
A guy at my last job had a major, fundamental misunderstanding of how the local building code was updated annually. He, and the partner who said I was wrong for “insubordination” when I refused to do the work using outdated codes, ended up in front of the professional engineers board and had to formally make a plan to show how they would never make that mistake again. It wasn’t exactly license revoking, but it felt great to have started that process haha
The best part was that I know the firm’s code nerd was spoken to to tell me I was wrong and they sent out a company wide notice about making sure your code was updated. No one ever apologized to me. I only submitted the report after they let me go for “not being a good fit”.
Not retaliating is how we got here. Either the next wave causes a red holocaust or you’ll be ratcheted back the other way again.
hahahahah boy I hope the radical left is as radical and violent as the republicans imagine them to be.
DSA! DSA! DSA!
The real travesty hear is that there was a 29-year incumbent in the first place. Congress desperately needs term limits.
I was legit excited to vote for her. I’m cautiously optimistic to see how she does.
I’m so excited. It’s time for DeGette to get out of the way of progress.
I really hope Victor Marx doesn’t win the Gubernatorial race though.
Even if the new class is a disaster we can vote them out and still fracture the power structure enough to slow it down.
Damn, that Zionist shill had occupied that seat as long as Melat has been alive!
